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Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by thaumasiotes »

filmor wrote: post #254
AdhemarVandamme wrote: post #236

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I don’t see why the grammatical cases of Latin and German matter in the interpretation of these abbreviations. The Latin prepositions cum (with) and sine (without) are always followed by the ablative case. German has grammatical cases too, but no ablative. The German propositions mit (with) and ohne (without) are followed by the accusative case. So c.t. = cum tempore = mit Zeit = with time (or with some delay), and s…

"mit" is followed by dative in German. In Latin, ablative and dative are very close and which is very close, a lot of forms are indistinguishable. That doesn't change anything else you said, though :)

While it's true that many Latin nouns have identical dative and ablative forms, tempus isn't one of those nouns. (In the singular. I think dative and ablative are identical in the plural for every noun.)

And of course, as everyone has already mentioned, spookie's comment is complete nonsense because the case is required, and fully explained, by the prepositions.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by thaumasiotes »

shakna wrote: post #260
thaumasiotes wrote: post #120

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Those are strange annotations; it looks like at least one word is missing. They mean "with time" and "without time".

Cum can be translated as 'with', but due to cultural use, it can also be translated as 'in addition'. Some younger Latin recipes use 'cum sal' as a one-liner at the end, to tell the chef to season to their taste, for example.

> Some younger Latin recipes use 'cum sal' as a one-liner at the end

I have some questions:

1. What cultural use? Are you saying that German culture involves writing recipes in recreational Latin?

2. Why is sal in the nominative case? That can't possibly work.

3. Shouldn't there be a verb? For example, Apicius always ends recipes with a direction like "serve" / "bring in" / "enjoy".

(Technically, those verbs are all in the future indicative, so I guess I shouldn't call them 'directions'. But it's hard to think of them as something other than directions.)

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by Voklen »

gwd wrote: post #85

> When 2:50 rolled around and your meeting was supposed to end, do you think people actually ended the meeting? Noooooo. Absolutely not! At U of M, they solved this problem by having classes officially start 10 minutes after the time they were advertised as. That is, a class listed as being 10-11am was actually 10:10-11am; nobody showed up until 10:10. Sure, technically it's the same thing, but there's a pretty massi…

At St Andrews University we have the concept of an “Academic hour” where every class and lecture begins at 5 past and ends at 5 to the hour. So your 10:00-11:00 lecture is actually 10:05-10:55. I believe this is mainly to give people time to get between their classes across town and to standardise how much time one has to set up between lectures.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by jacobsenscott »

gwbas1c wrote: post #14

If I was in the room, I'd be relieved. I always found that meetings at large companies dragged on unless there was a forcing factor (like a doorknock) that got someone to bring it to an end.

This is always because people would rather than twiddle their thumbs in meetings than work - so they drag it out as long as possible. Getting paid for doing nothing is a good deal. Meetings are never necessary, and usually the worst possible way to convey information.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by [deleted] »

gwd wrote: post #85

> When 2:50 rolled around and your meeting was supposed to end, do you think people actually ended the meeting? Noooooo. Absolutely not! At U of M, they solved this problem by having classes officially start 10 minutes after the time they were advertised as. That is, a class listed as being 10-11am was actually 10:10-11am; nobody showed up until 10:10. Sure, technically it's the same thing, but there's a pretty massi…

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Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by thaumasiotes »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #147
thaumasiotes wrote: post #123

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In my experience, being on time isn't viewed as rude, but it is viewed as a nuisance, reflecting poorly on other people. I had a Chinese tutor who got pretty upset that I would show up to lessons before she got there. Her first approach was to assure me that it was ok if I showed up later. Eventually she responded by showing up very, very early. In a different case, I had an appointment to meet a friend, and she text…

Presumably the tutor was being paid. If you arrive late, you are cheating yourself of your full time slot. Unless the tutor operated on a model of, “45 minutes starting whenever we are both here”.

> Unless the tutor operated on a model of, “45 minutes starting whenever we are both here”.

I would be unsurprised if that's how she thought about it, but it didn't really come up.

My sense was that, since she was the service provider and I was the customer, she felt that it was inappropriate for me to be waiting for her.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by ryandrake »

degamad wrote: post #274
Aeolun wrote: post #264

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It also allows the people actually in the class a lesson uninterrupted by random people for variety of good/bad reasons. Most 90% of students is not late on any given day. Should they all be penalized for the actions of a few?

The request is not to transfer the burden onto the 90%, but to design a system where the 10% are able to participate without impeding the 90%. For example, if students enter from the rear of the room, then delayed students can join without disrupting the on-time students. If we start the design process with the awareness that some students will be late, then we can design systems which support all students.

Here’s a process for that 10%: wake up 30 minutes earlier to create a buffer that allows for unexpected events like traffic and for expected events like “I just can’t seem to be on time, maybe I’m sick.”

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by [deleted] »

dr_kretyn wrote: post #104
remram wrote: post #18

This is not "malicious compliance", this is more like "pedantic enforcement". "Malicious compliance" would be if the same team booked a 50min meeting then a 10min meeting in the same room.

Ditto. I thought the punchline, i.e. the malicious compliance, will be booking 50 min and then booking 10 min more. Someone using an unreserved spot is that, booking a meeting.

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Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by brudgers »

ketzo wrote: post #234
buzer wrote: post #101

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In Finland the universities (and I believe in many other European universities have/had this as well) there was "academic quarter" which meant that if something was scheduled for 10am it would actually start at 10:15am. IIRC if they used precise time (10:00) then it would actually start at that time. I've heard it dates back to when people didn't have easy access to precise time. It would allow students to hear the h…

This thread is absolutely fascinating — American, never heard of this practice (esp ct/st), and desperately want it in my life now!

For the most part, American Universities were established after railroad time tables were a thing…and in the US Latin and the other liberal arts were never the primary curriculum at most US universities, so cum tempore might as well be Latin.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by grishka »

cyberax wrote: post #171
buzer wrote: post #101

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In Finland the universities (and I believe in many other European universities have/had this as well) there was "academic quarter" which meant that if something was scheduled for 10am it would actually start at 10:15am. IIRC if they used precise time (10:00) then it would actually start at that time. I've heard it dates back to when people didn't have easy access to precise time. It would allow students to hear the h…

A bit different in Russia and Ukraine, there's a notion of "academic hour" which is 45 minutes. Same idea though.

Yes except classes in schools usually start at X:00 and breaks between them are X:45 - (X+1):00. The first class is usually at 9:00.
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