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UK threaten to enter Ecuadorian embassy and arrest Julian Assange

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Re: UK threaten to enter Ecuadorian embassy and arrest Julian Assange

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Post by brl »

GHFigs wrote: post #170
guelo wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since 9/11 the USA has shown that it does not follow the civil rules of law for non-citizens. Obama's DOJ has convened a secret grand jury investigating Assange under the Espionage Act[1]. Joe Biden has called him a terrorist [2]. Others have called for his assassination [3]. Sweden was involved in the CIA's illegal rendition program and sent people to be tortured in Egypt[4]. Assange has every reason to fear for his…

Obama's DOJ has convened a secret grand jury investigating Assange under the Espionage Act. All grand jury proceedings are secret. This is a normal part of the US legal system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_juries_in_the_United_Stat...

but not all of the subpoenas are secret, certainly is it rare for them to include NSLs (as Appelbaum has indicated the FBI hinted) and rarely if never are the dockets themselves sealed (as Appelbaum's lawyer is currently fighting)

Re: UK threaten to enter Ecuadorian embassy and arrest Julian Assange

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Post by rizla »

vidarh wrote: post #144
objclxt wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's nonsense. You only have to look at Roman Polanski, who fled rape charges to a foreign jurisdiction and the amount of press generated over that. The women accusing Assange have a fundamental human right to due process. It is extremely unusual for someone to deny that process by fleeing into a foreign embassy. Wikileaks adds to the press, but it is noteworthy regardless of that.

It is worth pointing out that the women in question did not go to the police to file a complaint. Nor have charges been taken out (there is an arrest warrant for questioning on suspicion). This case was pursued by the prosecutor at the instigation of Swedish police, after a previous prosecutor had initially closed the case stating that there was no indication anything illegal had taken place. The women in question do…

The prosecutor said there was no case of rape to follow, but did concede that there was a case of sexual assault. The rape case was reopened and the sexual assault case remained opened

Re: UK threaten to enter Ecuadorian embassy and arrest Julian Assange

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Post by saraid216 »

arrrg wrote: post #266
saraid216 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling them idiots is not a conspiracy theory.

No, but it seemed to me you were suggesting my explanation didn’t make sense because they look like idiots.

Saying that your explanation doesn't make sense is also not a conspiracy theory.

Re: UK threaten to enter Ecuadorian embassy and arrest Julian Assange

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Post by Old_Faithful »

cjensen wrote: post #109
alan_cx wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably Ecuador could respond in kind. It may well be that the wonderful British police or SAS could smoothly extract Assange, however, what happens if the not so wonderful Ecuadorian authorities decided to lay some sort of siege to the British Embassy in Ecuador? Are British authorities really prepared to risk that?

If Ecuador did that, the British would simply leave peaceably. I'm not understanding the risk you refer to -- would not Ecuadorians be equally hindered by the lack of a British Embassy as the British?

Well then, if that was the case then Assange could just as well peacefully with the rest of the Ecuadorian delegation.

Don't forget that Assange is not and asylum "seeker" anymore, but that he has in fact been granted asylum. In other words, under international law, he is and Ecuadorian Citizen and unless Britain decides to transgress International Law and effectively declare war on Ecuador, no amount of sabre rattling will amount to anything at all.

Re: UK threaten to enter Ecuadorian embassy and arrest Julian Assange

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Post by Old_Faithful »

elemeno wrote: post #53
julianz wrote: post #40

So, just to make sure I'm keeping up, the UK is threatening an act of war against Ecuador in order to extradite an Australian who's wanted by the US to Sweden. okithinkigotit.

It's not an act of war - it's, at worst, a violation of a convention. An embassy/consulate/mission is the territory of the host country and not, as is commonly thought, sovereign to the country who's located in it.

You are mistaken. Under International law, embassies are on sovereign soil of the guest country.

Re: UK threaten to enter Ecuadorian embassy and arrest Julian Assange

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Post by Old_Faithful »

dj2stein9 wrote: post #36

The UK government is showing its true face, that of a tyrannical authoritarian government, who's legitimacy is threatened by the exact kind of transparency that Assange's organization intends to protect.

When was there even any doubt about it? Britain has been aligned with US imperialism for decades.

Re: UK threaten to enter Ecuadorian embassy and arrest Julian Assange

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Post by rizla »

I'm quite surprised that its only now that the links to Argentina and Britians current wranglings with South American countries are being talked about.

Remember they are all friends. The UK has the Falklands which Argentina (mates of Ecuador) are very keen to take ownership, especially with the discovery of every conspiracy theorists favourite motivator.... OIL

Yes boys and girls, perhaps this whole thing is less to do with Assange and wiki-leaks and more to do with a bit of dick waving over old wounds and money. That's a better theory for whats going on now

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