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Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by nathanasmith »

juliag2 wrote: post #211
nikkwong wrote: post #189

The mood here is as notoriously cynical as I would expect from HN. Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. Let's all tell ourselves that music requires that 'special human touch' or audiences will become bored, unimpressed and uninterested. But I'll bet you anything, the average ear won't care. This music is already as good as what's produceable by humans, and will be available for a…

I tried AI music for the first time today and I can definitely see why people say it feels bland, because it does. But most of what's on the radio today feels bland to me too. You're right - I don't really care if the track playing in my favourite cafe is AI-generated or not. You're not supposed to be emotionally invested into background music, it's music for a simple purpose and for most people, AI can fill that pur…

>You're right - I don't really care if the track playing in my favourite cafe is AI-generated or not. You're not supposed to be emotionally invested into background music

I guess different strokes but some of the best music I've ever been turned on to just happened to be playing in some random cafe or coffee shop. Conversely if the music is bland and uninspired I'm much less likely to go back.

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Post by dtauzell »

te_chris wrote: post #230
nikkwong wrote: post #223

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Honestly, AI-created music in physical spaces has the potential to be even better than what currently exists. Imagine in real time being able to create a soundtrack that matches the mood and vibe of the current atmosphere. When the crowd is bustling, have the audio match that; tone it down when the night wears on, the people have disbursed. Sometimes you go into a Starbucks late at night in Tokyo and they're blasting…

Sounds awful. Truly. Living your whole life in the median. Led Zepplin late at night is exactly what I want to hear in a Starbucks in Tokyo becuse it's surpising, exciting. Get out more.

Agreed. There is a sandwich place called Jimmy Johns and sometimes they’ll be playing crazy metal music and is kind of fun as long as I’m getting takeout.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by hfgjbcgjbvg »

drabbiticus wrote: post #84
bobajeff wrote: post #24

I had not known that this was AI until reading the comments here. I was really enjoying the 'anti-folk big band' station. Now I'm sure that's just a nonsense genre but that nonsense was more enjoyable than the stuff I've found on Spotify. I'm not sure what that says about me or the state of music but I did not expect it to be this capable yet.

The music that Suno generates as anti-folk is pretty aesthetic, but when you read into what anti-folk is meant to be as a genre, I can't help but feel that an AI algorithm spitting out music and lyrics is pretty far from anti-commercial ethos espoused by the antifolk movement.

It’s too bad AI is associated with commercialism when it’s a product of academia.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by lifeartreality »

I write music to create experiences, help me understand myself, much better, and even communicate in relationships. Suno has become a huge part of journaling in my process that really brings the journal to life!

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by XenophileJKO »

idonotknowwhy wrote: post #272
XenophileJKO wrote: post #205

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:) I'll bite... https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c0cb1fd881919867820db3ee3850 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c027e10c8191936ac1e86adb5bcd https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815bf6174488191b2b93498059c4352 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815be7921b4819191544de9f06b336f https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815bf16568081918ef3d26d0572701d https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c00655888191a717f4ef8f895af3 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c0583198819184c4f01b8fa26ae0 https…

That's not the AI creating art though, that's you using 4o like a pencil. The ideas / creativity came from you, not the AI. P.S. Do you mind sharing the prompt you used to do the crocodile?

Sure... I mean it isn't a single prompt.. it is always a process.

https://chatgpt.com/share/681855ce-a9d4-8004-9a3a-deb19994d8...

Edit: I was really just testing to see how well it could do layout and out of distrobution images. This was right when it came out and I was trying to see what the limitations were.

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Post by rntksi »

dumpsterdiver wrote: post #146

If anyone is interested in the difference between "AI slop" and something with a couple thousand credits into it, here's my #soundseasons entry (I don't expect to place; the end needs work I didn't have the energy for (and I mean even if I did...)): # Original record scratch contest-style song https://suno.com/s/8MvZmfkDPIPmKLtm And this is a good example how the "magic" is lost in a cover of that same contest entry…

If you have some time, could you write a short post about your process to make the thousand-credits outcome ? It sounds awesome and I want to learn

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by hndamien »

nwienert wrote: post #233
hndamien wrote: post #127

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This song was produced a long time ago from a verbatim hacker news comment, and got released on Spotify and Apple and became a favorite at home. Your comment inspired me to upgrade it to 4.5 because it did have that AI tinny quality. https://suno.com/s/tbZlkBL7XeLVuuN0 It sounds better but has lost some magic. Here is the original comment - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39997706 In that spirit, from the same “…

Fascinating. I find that song to be unlistenable and something about the thought of anyone enjoying it seems really wrong.

Well, that’s about as low effort as Suno gets, so I’m not sure you should expect to like it more than a laugh. But when you put effort into the songwriting and shaping you can produce legitimately good music. This is my third highest ranking streaming song and it actually got some airplay on US radio stations - https://music.apple.com/au/album/too-much-winning/1788045206...

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Post by drabbiticus »

hfgjbcgjbvg wrote: post #283
drabbiticus wrote: post #84

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The music that Suno generates as anti-folk is pretty aesthetic, but when you read into what anti-folk is meant to be as a genre, I can't help but feel that an AI algorithm spitting out music and lyrics is pretty far from anti-commercial ethos espoused by the antifolk movement.

It’s too bad AI is associated with commercialism when it’s a product of academia.

In the context of my comment and the linked website, could you explain your point?

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Post by cynicalpeace »

Rochus wrote: post #279
cynicalpeace wrote: post #273

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I think you keep on missing my point. It's not that the music itself is bad. I've listened to AI music while coding for example. But for a piece of art to "take off". It needs to go beyond you. Not only do you need to tell your friends about it, but they need to tell their friends about it, and so on. And oftentimes during the transmission process you don't even remember the name of the song, but you remember the nam…

The music market is likely goint to converge to the following two extreme segments: A) audiences who are mostly interested in idols and lifestyles, where music is merely a means to an end, and B) audiences which are mostly interested in the music itself (either as main act or in the background). For the A) audience, music is actually secondary and more of a supporting function. For the B) audience, the musicians or c…

Yeah, I think you're incorrect on many fronts.

Won't split into 2 extreme segments. It's just 1 segment- people who listen to music, often recommended by their friends or peer group.

Also, Profession hasn't declined.

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Post by Rochus »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #289
Rochus wrote: post #279

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The music market is likely goint to converge to the following two extreme segments: A) audiences who are mostly interested in idols and lifestyles, where music is merely a means to an end, and B) audiences which are mostly interested in the music itself (either as main act or in the background). For the A) audience, music is actually secondary and more of a supporting function. For the B) audience, the musicians or c…

Yeah, I think you're incorrect on many fronts. Won't split into 2 extreme segments. It's just 1 segment- people who listen to music, often recommended by their friends or peer group. Also, Profession hasn't declined.

Well, maybe you happen to be one of the lucky 0.1% musicians or composers who earn enough from music to make a decent living (i.e. not having one or more day jobs).

Concerning the trends, see also e.g. https://www.numberanalytics.com/blog/decoding-music-consumpt... or https://techxplore.com/news/2025-01-experts-spotify-music-ha..., or directly https://pubsonline.informs.org/doi/full/10.1287/mksc.2022.02....

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