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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by Tepix »

eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

Here's another good quote from Kurt Vonnegut's highly relevant "Player Piano" from 1952:

“The main business of humanity is to do a good job of being human beings," said Paul, "not to serve as appendages to machines, institutions, and systems.”

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by concats »

awongh wrote: post #279
concats wrote: post #219

Trying to look at the bigger picture for a moment. A lot of the philosophical debate about art I see here, and elsewhere on social media, is often very shallow and can be reduced to: Does one believe that the value of the art-piece (be is music, paintings, film, or whatever) is created in the mind of the artist, or is it created in the mind of the consumer? If you believe only in the former, AI art is an oxymoron and…

In the age of the social feed things are currently tipped more towards the selector/curator/consumer, where before, when all you could do was listen to songs on the radio, it wasn't really possible to participate. But culture will always be fundamentally about 1:many - we have to collectively agree on liking something- algo-based feeds are making the number of people that agree smaller and more siloed, but the dynami…

I agree, the story behind the work is part of how we humans view a creation and cannot be dismissed.

I think we're a long way away from 100% algorithmically created content. This far all I've seen is content that is created based on human inputs and ideas. I'm not aware of the Instagram incident you mentioned, but it too seems like the brain child of a human if I'm not mistaken.

There have been trending AI generated videos floating around lately for example. Which I found surprising at first. But they still had a human script writer (prompt writer?), director and a human editor. Someone who had a vision of what they wanted to create and share. My prediction is that this human-directed tool-like usage will be the standard for a long time, so I'm not particularly worried about humans getting removed from the process.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by pipes »

antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

I think the same is happening with video games. Especially with Xbox game pass or whatever it's called. I've done it to myself with roms. Everything available so none of it valuable to me.

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Post by Tepix »

dataviz1000 wrote: post #32
bicepjai wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who ever says this have not done laundry :)

Ugh, why can't AI fold my clothes so I can spend more time on Hacker News writing comments?

Because AI can do the commenting better than you...?

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Post by aniviacat »

squigz wrote: post #249
aniviacat wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is not a water bottle, it's a domesticated puddle. Many (most?) people don't care about the artists behind songs (even less so about their culture). They care about the "organised sound" being enjoyable to hear. And to them, AI music is just as valuable as manual music. Gangam style didn't become popular because people cared about PSY. It didn't become popular because of its thoughtful lyrics and insightful me…

> Many (most?) people don't care about the artists behind songs This seems an absurd take to me when you consider the popularity of, say, Taylor Swift, or various rappers.

If 60% of people don't care about the artist's image/culture/story, and 40% do, then 100% of artists are gonna try to make their image/culture/story look good.

Hence, I don't consider the popularity of such artists to be a counter-argument to my statement.

However, my statement is based solely on anecdotal evidence, so I won't claim to have solid pro-arguments either; hence why I put a question mark after the "most".

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by Tepix »

broof wrote: post #57

Ai music has been awesome for me, not because the music is that good, but because it gives me the ability to do something that I couldn’t have done myself. I use it all the time for my DnD group, songs about characters, funny moments, backstories, it’s a great tool that our players have found to increase engagement with the game

Instead of making music together with human musicians, you're now doing this process with a machine. Yay!

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by antononcube »

qwertox wrote: post #267
antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

There are things which are just "musician things". An AI just can't replace it. Like the performance of "Hania Rani live at Invalides in Paris, France for Cercle" [0] This is what makes a musician. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5oZ80Daduc&t=2145s

In my opinion the referenced music fragment of that video is fairly "unmemorable", it is "just" a sequence of harmonized textures. And that is precisely what AIs (LLMs) are good at.

(I listened for ≈7 min from the reference point.)

(I am talking about the music, not the live performance itself.)

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Post by sarmasamosarma »

Rochus wrote: post #250
antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

> his idea of "music like water or electricity" might finally come true That was already the case with Spotify & Co. where music has become an anonymous commodity. People order by mood or playlist and rarely care about who composed, produced or played the music, even if the meta data are available. From the user's perspective, AI makes mostly the selection process more precise. I don't think people will care much whe…

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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by concats »

awongh wrote: post #272
Aldipower wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Art is always some form of human interaction. When we talk about AI music, I think we do not talk about art anymore, so this isn't human interaction as this isn't art too. The creation of the AI itself, could be considered as art, but not the outcome of the AI. We have to be careful in our discussions not to mix the things up. A lot of confusion happens in recent discussion.

The thing is that in this century the creative interaction seems to be moving up the value chain- it wasn't long ago that people would say that being a DJ wasn't creative. Simply selecting songs wasn't creative. Now lots of people consider DJs to be creative artists that are communicating something with their human will of selecting and mixing tracks. Unless the whole thing moves to a random AI generated slop stream…

Great take. A mixtape can be greater than the sum of its parts!

I believe that a lot of the judgement is also connected to the quality of the works. "Slop", while doubtlessly accurate for today, may be a rather weird description in a couple of year if the rate of progress continues to accelerate like it has.

Although I've already heard people starting to refer to DeviantArt and the like as full of "human slop" so perhaps this is just modern language that's evolving and completely unrelated to AI.

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Post by awongh »

concats wrote: post #282
awongh wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the age of the social feed things are currently tipped more towards the selector/curator/consumer, where before, when all you could do was listen to songs on the radio, it wasn't really possible to participate. But culture will always be fundamentally about 1:many - we have to collectively agree on liking something- algo-based feeds are making the number of people that agree smaller and more siloed, but the dynami…

I agree, the story behind the work is part of how we humans view a creation and cannot be dismissed. I think we're a long way away from 100% algorithmically created content. This far all I've seen is content that is created based on human inputs and ideas. I'm not aware of the Instagram incident you mentioned, but it too seems like the brain child of a human if I'm not mistaken. There have been trending AI generated…

Meta wanted to have 100% algorithmic accounts: https://www.contentgrip.com/meta-deletes-ai-generated-accoun...

They got rid of them already- it makes sense that no one wanted them.

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