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Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by mystifyingpoi »

apwell23 wrote: post #227
tastysandwich wrote: post #141

For music, Navidrome is superior. It is just crazy how easy it is to set this stuff up nowadays. I run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers. Then I use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home. The experience is absolutely flawless. In Navidrome you can host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly. It's been over a year now and I have pretty much no issues whats…

> run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers > use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home > host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly. i really have no idea what any of these words mean. Spotify's future is secure.

Self-hosting has its price, one of which is knowing what you are doing. Just keep using Spotify, there is nothing wrong with that.

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Post by soraminazuki »

dankwizard wrote: post #95

This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library. A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking "Radio", which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e "Popular songs, deep cuts" or specific e…

By moving away from streaming services, you can once again own what you bought and paid for. Algorithmic playlists are nothing, nothing at all compared to the loss of ability to use your own player, edit your files, back them up, or not be nickel-and-dimed to get around artificial restrictions. Not to mention that with streaming services, music can be taken away from you after the purchase.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by mystifyingpoi »

sussmannbaka wrote: post #231
sailfast wrote: post #76

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Sure, but that’s piracy. Kinda like saying Winamp is alternative to Spotify. The music is kinda the most important thing.

If you feel bad, buy a single song of each artist afterwards and you have given them vastly more money than listening to them on Spotify will ever generate.

You can give them even more by skipping the silly part of buying a song you'll never listen to on the platform which takes majority of that money, and just transfer them $1 by paypal or whatever they like to use.

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Post by kilroy123 »

udev4096 wrote: post #204

Anyone concerned about recommendations might wanna look at musicbrainz. You can write a script for fetching the recommendations based on your current library every week

Interesting. This is what has stopped me from self hosting music. I love the discovery you get from Spotify and other music streaming services.

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Post by physicsguy »

benfortuna wrote: post #263
physicsguy wrote: post #251

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If I look at mine today (00s indie britpop Thursday early morning) I know pretty much every song and artist on it

if you stick with it the cycle will introduce new stuff. I have been using for months and still get new music (with occasional repeats)

I can’t say I have had the same experience, I don’t mind it though.

I’ve had Spotify since it launched in the U.K. so it has plenty of my listening history!

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Post by boudin »

dankwizard wrote: post #95

This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library. A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking "Radio", which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e "Popular songs, deep cuts" or specific e…

I've never seen this work. Either it plays the stuff I've listened in the past in a loop or shove some random things I really dislike (maybe hidden promotional stuff?). Personally it's the reason I've cancelled subscriptions each time I've tried, I always ended up listening to radio instead as the value brought by Spotify etc... was really poor.

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Post by zimpenfish »

friendzis wrote: post #228
armSixtyFour wrote: post #149

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I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But now not so much. Spotify "Radio" feature just tends to want to give me music I've already listened to over new music. Whatever algorithm they are using has waaaay overfit to what I have already liked. There used to be curated playlists done by humans, now almost everything is "made for you by Spotify" playlists which, have the exact same issue as the radio stations, sudde…

> suddenly it's all the same music you've already been listening to, very little new music. However, if you expose the gods of the algorithm to a new artist, suddenly all the auto-generated feeds will try to include that band regardless of fit. Weird how these "social graph" systems tend to form and perpetuate bubbles. On top of that, there are some weird shenanigans with meta-data. Listening to "foreign" bands may v…

> However, if you expose the gods of the algorithm to a new artist, suddenly all the auto-generated feeds will try to include that band regardless of fit.

cf YouTube when you watch one video on X that's outside of your normal viewing and RIP your homepage for the next few days until you've clicked "do not recommend" on enough videos to stop the flood of X and X-adjacent content.

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Post by Theofrastus »

bhaney wrote: post #57
crossroadsguy wrote: post #46

My problem stays the same — finding all my music that is on Spotify from elsewhere. It costs a lot to buy those music files and that too if they are available (which isn’t always the case) and even after I buy I am not sure what were the T&C from that particular place I bought - whether I really own it, I don’t, a bit but not fully - etc. Finding from Linux ISO sites is a nightmare and an extra bad nightmare if we ar…

> I wish there was an easy way for this - plug and play kinda I can click a button in Lidarr to auth with Spotify and automatically search usenet for every album of every artist I follow on spotify, download them all, and make them available in Jellyfin. It'll even monitor the spotify account and import new additions. Getting the whole stack set up is pretty much the exact opposite of plug and play, but once you have…

The one thing that bothers me about Lidarr is that it is album based, not song based. Before streaming services, I managed my local music library with albums as well, but my habits have changed. I basically only listen to my "Liked Songs" playlist on Spotify, and really only have a select few albums that I listen to on the whole.

I tried syncing Lidarr with my Spotify account, but 95% of the downloads then where songs that I didn't care for.

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Post by yard2010 »

switch007 wrote: post #277
fabatka wrote: post #265

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What about backups? My greatest fear is self-hosting valuable stuff (like family photos) only for my NAS to fail one day and lose potentially everything.

There are good options. Borg, rsync.net with zfs send/recv. Storage boxes from Hetzner Hard to make a particular recommendation as backing up to the cloud is a popular option but depends on your upload speed and rate of data change. And depends how much you're willing to spend for what tradeoff

Storage box from hetzner is great. Hetzner is a good company, I'm glad that I'm doing business with them. The service is good, cheap, reliable, and... Un-american which means it would probably stay good and won't enshitify.

Use Hetzner! I'm not affiliated just a happy customer.

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Post by yard2010 »

godelski wrote: post #274
flessner wrote: post #116

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For "content subscriptions" (Spotify, YouTube, Netflix) keep in mind that a part of the revenue goes towards the content creators. For anything else, I can also highly recommend using local or self-hosted software. Plenty of open source software has even exceeded proprietary alternatives in the last couple years.

Weird thought, but doesn't some of the stuff the blockchain people do potentially apply here? I'm not talking building a new coin or any of that crap. But rather more about just handling the transactions of plays and a distributed anonymized ledger. Artists can formulate a contract, users pay in and their pay gets distributed proportionally. I'm sure you could add zkps to help protect privacy. Could you get away with…

Yes so this is the future you're speaking of. A complete separation between client and server, and none of the current bs enshitified monopolies. Just need to wait a few years tm.
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