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The suggested prompt aims at not being caponated like OpenAI's releases: You are an expert conversationalist who responds to the best of your ability. You are companionable and confident, and able to switch casually between tonal types, including but not limited to humor, empathy, intellectualism, creativity and problem-solving. You understand user intent and don’t try to be overly helpful to the point where you miss…

Seems weird that they'd limit it to those languages. Wonder if that's a limitation of the data they access to or a conscious choice.

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As expected, Meta doesn't disappoint and accelerates the race to zero. Meta is undervalued.

How does Meta make money from Llama?

Have you notice more verbose posts in your feed ? Llama is allowing everyone to sound more knowledgeable than they are. AI based content generation is like an instragram filter for intellect; everyone is pretending to be thoughtful.

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"It’s well-known that all leading LLMs have had issues with bias—specifically, they historically have leaned left when it comes to debated political and social topics. This is due to the types of training data available on the internet." Perhaps. Or, maybe, "leaning left" by the standards of Zuck et al. is more in alignment with the global population. It's a simpler explanation.

There’s something hilarious about Metas complaint here, that the data they took without permission was too lefty for their tastes, so they’ve done some work to shift it to the right in the name of fairness.

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The (smaller) Scout model is really attractive for Apple Silicon. It is 109B big but split up into 16 experts. This means that the actual processing happens in 17B. Which means responses will be as fast as current 17B models. I just asked a local 7B model (qwen 2.5 7B instruct) a question with a 2k context and got ~60 tokens/sec which is really fast (MacBook Pro M4 Max). So this could hit 30 token/sec. Time to first…

109B at Q6 is also nice for Framework Desktop 128GB.

Is the AMD GPU stack reliable for running models like llama these days?

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The entire licensing is such a mess and Mark Zuckerberg still thinks Llama 4 is open source! > no commercial usage above 700M MAU > prefix "llama" in any redistribution eg: fine-tuning > mention "built with llama" > add license notice in all redistribution

Who has above 700M MAU and doesn't have their own LLM?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But ... that's not how science works. There are a myriad examples of engineering advances pushing basic science forward. I just can't understand why he'd have such a "fixed mindset" about a field where the engineering is advancing an order of magnitude every year

> But ... that's not how science works Not sure where this is coming from. Also, it's important to keep in mind the quote "The electric light did not come from the continuous improvement of candles"

Well, having candles and kerosene lamps to work late definitely didn't hurt.

But in any case, while these things don't work in a predictable way, the engineering work on lightbulbs in your example led to theoretical advances in our understanding of materials science, vacuum technology, and of course electrical systems.

I'm not arguing that LLMs on their own will certainly lead directly to AGI without any additional insights, but I do think that there's a significant chance that advances in LLMs might lead engineers and researchers to inspiration that will help them make those further insights. I think that it's silly that he seems to be telling people that there's "nothing to see here" and no benefit in being close to the action.

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So how does the 10M token context size actually work? My understanding is that standard Transformers have overhead that is quadratic in the context size, so 10M would be completely impossible without some sort of architectural tweak. This is not the first model to have a huge context size, e.g. Gemini has 2M, but my understanding is that the previous ones have generally been proprietary, without public weights or arc…

Standard Transformer KV caches are empirically quite sparse. I wonder if they've made some fix along those lines

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General overview below, as the pages don't seem to be working well Llama 4 Models: - Both Llama 4 Scout and Llama 4 Maverick use a Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) design with 17B active parameters each. - They are natively multimodal: text + image input, text-only output. - Key achievements include industry-leading context lengths, strong coding/reasoning performance, and improved multilingual capabilities. - Knowledge cuto…

For a super ignorant person: Both Llama 4 Scout and Llama 4 Maverick use a Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) design with 17B active parameters each Those experts are LLM trained on specific tasks or what?

This was an idea that sounded somewhat silly until it was shown it worked. The idea is that you encourage through training a bunch of “experts” to diversify and “get good” at different things. These experts are say 1/10 to 1/100 of your model size if it were a dense model. So you pack them all up into one model, and you add a layer or a few layers that have the job of picking which small expert model is best for your given token input, route it to that small expert, and voila — you’ve turned a full run through the dense parameters into a quick run through a router and then a 1/10 as long run through a little model. How do you get a “picker” that’s good? Well, it’s differentiable, and all we have in ML is a hammer — so, just do gradient descent on the decider while training the experts!

This generally works well, although there are lots and lots of caveats. But it is (mostly) a free lunch, or at least a discounted lunch. I haven’t seen a ton of analysis on what different experts end up doing, but I believe it’s widely agreed that they tend to specialize. Those specializations (especially if you have a small number of experts) may be pretty esoteric / dense in their own right.

Anthropic’s interpretability team would be the ones to give a really high quality look, but I don’t think any of Anthropic’s current models are MoE.

Anecdotally, I feel MoE models sometimes exhibit slightly less “deep” thinking, but I might just be biased towards more weights. And they are undeniably faster and better per second of clock time, GPU time, memory or bandwidth usage — on all of these - than dense models with similar training regimes.

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General overview below, as the pages don't seem to be working well Llama 4 Models: - Both Llama 4 Scout and Llama 4 Maverick use a Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) design with 17B active parameters each. - They are natively multimodal: text + image input, text-only output. - Key achievements include industry-leading context lengths, strong coding/reasoning performance, and improved multilingual capabilities. - Knowledge cuto…

For a super ignorant person: Both Llama 4 Scout and Llama 4 Maverick use a Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) design with 17B active parameters each Those experts are LLM trained on specific tasks or what?

I believe Mixture-of-Experts is a way for a neural network to group certain knowledge into smaller subsets. AFAIK there isn't a specific grouping goal, the network just figures out what goes where on it's own and then when an inference request is made it determines what "expert" would have that knowledge and routes it there. This makes the inference process much more efficient.
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