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Post by hulitu »

sys_64738 wrote: post #266
jmclnx wrote: post #190

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These days there is no reason to use Windows at home. Just move to a distro like Mint or Ubuntu. It will save you money and help stop filling up Landfills. I am on a 10+ year old Laptop with Slackware, for desktop use it is just as fast as any modern Laptop with Windows, I would even say it is faster. Also you will find Libreoffice is just as good as M/S Office. Just ignore the fud. FWIW, I believe many foreign count…

> These days there is no reason to use Windows at home. Just move to a distro like Mint or Ubuntu. It will save you money and help stop filling up Landfills. Old Intel based computers are terrible for power usage. Modern computers that are ARM based are much better for the environment.

> Modern computers that are ARM based are much better for the environment.

And modern computers that are Zen based are even better. You can do real work on them, instead of sitting idle all day. /s

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by indemnity »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #189
eru wrote: post #187

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How bloated is Windows actually?

Idles at 50% CPU usage running background tasks on a dual core. For steam deck, enough to be noticeable in FPS.

I have a 9950X3D and doing nothing Windows still lights up a core 5-20% every few seconds doing god knows what.

Linux on the same hardware does not.

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Post by octacat »

samiv wrote: post #45

I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

Similar why gatekeeper exists on Mac. This would mean that old software would stop to work, though. Which is a bit anti-microsoft politics. Without running all the old unsigned software Win is not Win anymore.

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Post by octacat »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #258
donnachangstein wrote: post #228

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This sounds like the UEFI Secure Boot FUD from > 10 years ago. That also didn't turn out like they predicted.

The desire for control never went away.

The moment they roll it as mandatory - people would stop updating.

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Post by octacat »

samiv wrote: post #45

I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

Would not fly. Developers would not go into the store. Because everyone knows, that 30% tax would be next (basically it is the current situation on the Mac, apple could pull the switch on gatekeeper any time). And, because a lot of modern apps are just electron wrappers, people would just move to the web versions for everything. Which means killing their own platform.

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Post by EasyMark »

mythz wrote: post #22

All these user hostile behavior finally tipped me over the edge last year after I started to get Windows 10 EOL popups. No way I was going to "upgrade" to a ad/spyware/subscription ridden MS marketing platform and be constantly nagged at to try out more of their services. Moved to a Fedora Desktop, liberating to move back to an conflict-free OS whose primary focus is to serve its users, imagine that.

I've been using Xubuntu for years now,and run Windows 10 in a VM for the few things I need on there that I dont' have a linux replacement for (or cared to hack together). I'm about 99% linux and macos now, and don't miss windows at all.

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Post by badsectoracula »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #102
badsectoracula wrote: post #80

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But this made Windows Defender an actually good and useful feature for the users. Requiring an online account to use Windows isn't really the same thing.

Except that on Home edition it detects everything as a virus, so all programs have an explanation that if Defender detects it as a virus, then just ignore it.

I haven't been using Windows as my main OS for a few years now but at least when i used it with Windows 10 it didn't detect "everything as a virus". In fact i can't even remember a single time i had issues with Windows Defender.

Unless you refer to Windows SmartScreen? That is a different thing - really about how popular some program is (though Microsoft did put it under Windows Defender at some point so it can be confusing) - and isn't about the antivirus (which is what i was referring to).

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