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Re: France rejects backdoor mandate

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> The proposed law was a surveillance wishlist disguised as anti-drug legislation.

So the fact that people break one law which violates their basic human rights, the right to privacy and to decide over what they put in their own bodies, suddenly becomes an excuse to violate their right to privacy even further.

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Here in Sweden the answer from the general public often is "yes, I am honest and have nothing to hide". Unlike French media, Swedish media does not have a well-developed tradition of confronting those in power and/or demanding accountability. I often get frustrated by how easily interviewees dodge direct questions by answering something completely different, and get a "thank you" from the journalist in return, instea…

It's not just our media, it's our culture. We have a looong and storied tradition of not liking the government, starting with our first revolution in 1789, continuing in 1830 and 1848, and further reinforced by the Nazi occupation during WW2. When I went to England, I heard the joke "where are all the French people? Oh right, probably on strike again". I feel like some people would probably go out and protest if the…

Yeah we don't do that here. Our culture was Pirate Bay and nation-wide torrenting until the government said it was stealing and people stopped because we are Honest Citizens.

No revolutions, unless explicitly permitted by the government.

Actually makes me a bit worried given the recent geopolitical development in the world.

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Just like for other big challenges like biodiversity and climate change, it feels like it often boils down to the politicians just not understanding enough to take rational decisions. Of course they can't all have a PhD in cryptography, but they should also not have no clue at all. Over an over again, politicians are asking for backdoors. To me it just proves that they don't understand the very basic of how encryptio…

The US have not become hostile. So far it has made two demands of Europe, and both of them are reasonable: 1. Europe should not rely entirely on the US for its defense (stated by Trump numerous times). 2. Europe should stop its mad self-destruction and descent into totalitarianism (stated by Vance on several occasions). Were they incorrect? Were they unreasonable? Sometimes you need a friend to tell you a harsh truth…

Your comment only makes sense if you agree with either premise behind (1) or (2).

I bet the vast majority of Europeans across all swaths of the political and socioeconomic strata would tell you that (1) Europe DOES NOT rely entirely on the US for its defense and (2) that Europe is NOT on a mad self destructive descent into totalitarianism.

In fact, as an American, id say (2) sounds vastly more applicable to the the USA under the current Republican administration.

Further, they'd also tell you to stop taking your talking points from those two bozos. It destroys your credibility by using them as any kind of reliable source of factual information.

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> Excuse me? C8 would be right in its place in Moscow, on the contrary. It's a propaganda channel owned by a billionaire FN backer. Cyril Hanouna is basically a Russian TV host that speaks French. The embodiment of bad faith. What you say may or may not be true, I wouldn't know, I don't watch French TV. It is, at any rate entirely irrelevant: if that TV channel was advocating that people should tattoo a swastika on t…

I think this is naive regarding propagandists. These TV channels don't "express views", they manipulate and fabricate opinion to serve the interests of their owners (in this case a multi-billionaire industrial family with a far right ideology). Rather than offer viewpoints, they suppress any constructive discussion and recenter the debate on bogus issues to rile people up and garner votes for populist parties that ar…

You’re free to have your own beliefs about speech. Please don’t say that you believe in free speech, though.

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> Your lack of empathy for others is always baffling for me. “I haven’t had problems with occupants, therefore they are not a problem.” They just said that they hadn't observed the same thing in their entourage. > Some had to crawl, bleeding on the floor, reciting to Coran. Are you referring to a recent event in France? Can't find any with the query "réciter coran otage". That quote makes France look like a war zone.…

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What is an occupant ? There used to be a increase of crime but it was because of what the law counts as a crime. And no, non-lethal crime didn't increase so it is not about medicine that is getting better. https://oscj2.cesdip.fr/agressions/

Its their clever little dog whistle.

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Re: France rejects backdoor mandate

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I wonder if not having such state database is not causing today more issues than it defends from. In the 80s I would get it, the state was the only one able to build such a database and people were afraid of what it would do secretly with it. Nowadays, "everybody" has a database with millions of people (ex: facebook, linkedin, x, tax offices, etc.) and discriminatory actions are done based on whims/stupidity rather t…

The CNIL is doing a ton of work to limit private databases and cross-checking as well. It can be hard to believe from more business focused countries, but the agency setting precedents has had dissuasion effects, and most companies do end up caring about their data retention and management policies. I've been in enough meetings where UX proposal gets entirely reworked because of a simple link to the CNIL's guidelines…

I checked the list of the fines (https://www.cnil.fr/fr/les-sanctions-prononcees-par-la-cnil). They are definitely doing good things, but they do not seem to be very active to prevent companies to gather large databases if they can give some reason (ex: facebook / linkedin / etc.).

And I am fine if your opinion is that less data collection is better everywhere, but this idea should be applied to everybody (government & private entities). My opinion is that if you fear much more the government than private entities you give those private entities an advantage.

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The CNIL is doing a ton of work to limit private databases and cross-checking as well. It can be hard to believe from more business focused countries, but the agency setting precedents has had dissuasion effects, and most companies do end up caring about their data retention and management policies. I've been in enough meetings where UX proposal gets entirely reworked because of a simple link to the CNIL's guidelines…

I checked the list of the fines ( https://www.cnil.fr/fr/les-sanctions-prononcees-par-la-cnil ). They are definitely doing good things, but they do not seem to be very active to prevent companies to gather large databases if they can give some reason (ex: facebook / linkedin / etc.). And I am fine if your opinion is that less data collection is better everywhere, but this idea should be applied to everybody (governme…

Linkedin has been fined for their use of personal data for ad purposes (albeit through the RGPD framework after the CNIL passed the case to them):

https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2024/10/24/donnees-per...

Facebook is also targeted under the RGPD, we've been amply seeing the news. The CNIL doesn't need to be doing everything either.

There is and will be no silver bullet completely stopping companies from building databases. I see having an active agency responding to user feedback as at least a decent counterbalance to it, when it's a complete shit show in so many other countries.

> government

Right now the government having extensive databases allows people to manage all their health payments and data in one place, including any hospital getting access to their full history when they're brought in pain barely able to speak. That also includes ease to vote on the net within minutes, check school records on a standardized site etc.

It's not perfect and probably abused in some way, but right now the net benefit at scale largely overshadows those IMHO.

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