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Re: Boycott IETF 127

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The 'utopia' part was sarcastic (obviously, given the preceding paragraph). I'm sorry you didn't pick up on that. > aligning himself with more radical western ideology Such as?

My sarcasm radar was malfunctioning after reading the parent comment describing our economy as "blooming", my bad.

>Such as?

Gender ideology.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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For many travellers it would be hard to find a flight plan without a stop in the US though.

And since many US airports do not have facilities for 'sterile transfers', people will require a US C1 Transit Visa to travel connecting through US.

This is deliberate. To my knowledge, absolutely no US airports allow you to transit without going through immigration, and stopovers in the US are very hard to avoid because the FAA imposes a hefty fee to flights over the country unless they stop at a US airport.

So it's very expensive to overfly the US without landing, and once you land you can't avoid immigration even if you are just transiting on your way to another country.

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I am a foreigner living and working in Germany. Its a perfectly safe and pleasant country to live in.

It sure is, until it isn't. And it strongly depends on where you are in the country. I highly doubt you live comfortably in a Nazi area.

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Re: Boycott IETF 127

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This is a 20 year old article and no we don't have "nazis kill foreigners with some regularity". Yes hate-crime happens, but you make it sound like an active war zone where you have to be afraid of your life if you are "foreign" looking. I'd wager for tourists it's very safe in Germany.

Well, if you're Palestinian, Germany can be really harsh and I won't bet on your safety..

That’s complete nonsense and the opposite is the case.

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How long did his deportation take? Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy. And I wouldn’t want to gamble if I‘m one of the unlucky ones that you described as looking bad. That kind of uncertainty is exactly what makes those travels unnecessarily dangerous. That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious.

I don’t quite remember and would have to ask. I think he was detained for 5 days, maybe? > Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy. The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence. > That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious. Again, I a…

> The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence.

Correct me if I'm misreading this, but it sounds like you're saying that inefficiencies due to incompetence are exempt from criticism.

It should go without saying that detaining innocent people is BAD, regardless of whether it's malice or incompetence.

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Being detained is way worse than being denied entry. > I was then placed in a real jail unit: two levels of cells surrounding a common area, just like in the movies. I was put in a tiny cell alone with a bunk bed and a toilet. > The best part: there were blankets. After three days without one, I wrapped myself in mine and finally felt some comfort. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... How i…

> I just don't understand why some people are so blind to the ongoing abuse of power. What a shame! They're not blind to it. They either like it and want it (sometimes because they benefit from it), or they're indifferent to it because it doesn't affect them personally. I know — it's really hard to appreciate the mindset of people with no empathy.

Don't forget the concern trolls that imply doubt of it happening at all, and then downplay the severity if you dig a little. We have some in this very thread, deploying their "scare quotes".

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Not all EU countries are the same. I would avoid Hungary, Slovakia, and former Eastern Germany (except Berlin).

As far a I know, all of the listed countries are reasonably safe to travel to. I’ve not heard any stories of arbitrary detention from any of them, which is what this article is (mostly) about. Trans people might not enjoy Slovakia or Hungary right now, but I’m not sure they are unsafe to visit for them (yet)? Someone local might fill me in here…

Hungary just criminalized pride. Their political leadership seems more aligned with Putin than the EU at this time.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/03/20/hungary-bans-lgbt-pride-...

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Regardless of the political situation, the EU is probably a more friendly environment for a standards body taking their stance in interoperability into account.

It depends on your citizenship. Some European countries reject 50% Indian Schengen visa applicantions. https://www.cntraveller.in/story/these-3-countries-rejected-...

>Estonia, Malta and Slovenia rejected the highest percentage of Schengen visa applications from India last year, while Germany, Italy and Hungary were most accommodating.

Sounds like Estonia, Malta, and Slovenia didn't want their countries to become transits for illegal immigration from India to the UK.

Countries like Germany get legitimate Indian immigration for work and higher education so their rejection rate is lower.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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@dang Why is this flagged? Even without the politics, knowing that a large cohort is not going to attend in an important piece of information.

there is another, better UI for HN: https://hn.algolia.com/ set it for the last 24 hours and enjoy uncensored content

Or, use https://news.ycombinator.com/active

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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As far a I know, all of the listed countries are reasonably safe to travel to. I’ve not heard any stories of arbitrary detention from any of them, which is what this article is (mostly) about. Trans people might not enjoy Slovakia or Hungary right now, but I’m not sure they are unsafe to visit for them (yet)? Someone local might fill me in here…

Hungary just criminalized pride. Their political leadership seems more aligned with Putin than the EU at this time. https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/03/20/hungary-bans-lgbt-pride-...

Yeah, I've seen that. It's been well documented that they are slipping into authoritarianism, nationalism and even a dictatorship. Free speech is not really in place anymore. I was just not very well informed about how civil liberies for trans people look, specifically. Whether the country is safe to travel to for conferences being the issue at hand. I see on Wikipedia that Orban has ended "legal recognition of transgender Hungarians", which I guess is probably significative of the trend, if nothing else.
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