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Re: Canada considering charging for road access from USA to Alaska

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Post by riku_iki »

hmmm-i-wonder wrote: post #274
riku_iki wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see your examples as in opposite direction. In Ukraine, militia with rifles ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Defence_Forces_(Uk... ) dug into the ground and stopped invasion of 1M army with thousands of armored vehicles, absolute superiority in artillery, airforces, tactical missiles and 100B annual budget. In Gaza, Israel with all tech advantages struggles to efficiently police relatively small urban ar…

Yes the Territorial Defence forces in Ukraine, an example of government backed reserves/semi-trained forces with equipment far beyond the oversimplification of "rifles". Actual untrained civilian forces with nothing but rifles on their own made little impact to the speed of russian advances however, which after multiple defeats and setbacks led to the formation of that defence force. Gaza is a whole can of worms in m…

> Territorial Defence forces in Ukraine, an example of government backed reserves/semi-trained forces with equipment far beyond the oversimplification of "rifles".

I don't think this is true. They were formed at the day of invasion (or few days before) with those who voluntarily enlisted(very many people), they received some old AK with bullets, and then moved to frontline to dig tranches, and that's what stopped advancements, because it is still extremely difficult to clear infantry which dug into the ground.

> A bunch of untrained sport shooters and hunters

A bunch is not, but in US number of gun owners is not "a bunch".

> but its a shining example of a civilian group with access to arms being completely unable to stop a superior local force from driving over them multiple times when they have the desire and political backing.

Sure, superior in tech and numbers force can "run over" aka walk on the streets, while being regularly shot from the windows in urban area, and it was with 5x superiority in population. Now imagine dictator tries with say 100k loyalists establish his rule in country with 350M population?

Re: Canada considering charging for road access from USA to Alaska

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Post by gadflyinyoureye »

hypeatei wrote: post #17
gadflyinyoureye wrote: post #11

Well if Trump is looking for a reason to invade, he’ll have one he can promote. I don’t agree with it it, but he can say, “they’re cutting us off from our people!” Then he’ll invade BC to form a contiguous border to all our territories. Hell based on the representatives going to DC to discuss making Alberta a state, he’ll probably gin up even more support.

So, a solution to a problem that he created? Interesting.

Yes. That’s what he does.

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Post by bdangubic »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #254
bdangubic wrote: post #249

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it is 2025, nothing takes a generation any longer unless you are implying donny and his apostoles will rule america for a generation. otherwise new administration will repair this fairly quickly

A new administration can not promise that somebody like Donald Trump will never be elected again. That's what it would take to repair this relationship.

you may be right but money always talks and national interests go before “what ifs”

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Post by simne »

hmmm-i-wonder wrote: post #250
riku_iki wrote: post #227

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> and equipment vastly outclasses what any civilian can and will have even in the US. not really. In urban setting, it is still the same soldier on foot with rifle, unless military decides to level all cities in the country.

We will have to disagree on this. >unless military decides to level all cities in the country. See Gaza, most of eastern Ukraine. The existence of armoured equipment, air support, satellite monitoring and encrypted/EW resistant communications means civilian resistance is all but irrelevant. Civilians co-operating with an organized, funded and supplied military is one thing, but on their own its a laughable concept at…

> See Gaza, most of eastern Ukraine. The existence of armoured equipment,... means civilian resistance is all but irrelevant.

I cannot say anything about Gaza.

But I live in Kyiv, Ukraine, and I have lot of talks with civilian resistance, from about 2012 (yes, Euro-2012 significant).

And I could say, map of occupied Ukrainian territory is very close to map of least pro-Ukrainian civilian activity.

I could state exactly - territory where pro-Ukrainian civilian activity (mostly in form of various Non-Government Organizations), was high before war, stay under control of Ukrainian government, but territory where previous power just physically destroyed civilian activity was lost.

Exceptions are Kharkiv and Odessa, where anti-Ukrainian Organizations was very powerful, but they appear very early and pro-Ukrainian forces successfully neutralized them.

What I mean saying about physically destroyed civilian activity, for example The deportation of the Crimean Tatars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tat...

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Post by bellgrove »

riku_iki wrote: post #158
hmmm-i-wonder wrote: post #130

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As a Canadian, this is increasingly becoming my best case scenario. Hopefully we can maintain our independence, and many of the freedoms and judicial process the US is currently destroying, although there are some exceptions our govt drastically needs to address * * the biggest example I expect Americans to bring up is gun control. Canada absolutely needs to revert to a logic and data based restriction approach rathe…

> to a logic and data based restriction approach and what would data tell why guns have to be restricted? Some questions: - what the fraction of gun crimes are commited by law-abiding citizens, which would be actually subject of restrictions? - is number of casualties high compared to casualties from knife fights, over-doze, obesity, and car accidents because of speeding Is there data for this question which would ba…

> Is there data for this question which would back restricting populations from having tools of self defense against tyrannic government(could happen in Canada too one day) and make it high priority for society compared to other problems?

The US has these tools and a dictator upending the country and yet these tools are not being utilized.

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Post by riku_iki »

bellgrove wrote: post #286
riku_iki wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to a logic and data based restriction approach and what would data tell why guns have to be restricted? Some questions: - what the fraction of gun crimes are commited by law-abiding citizens, which would be actually subject of restrictions? - is number of casualties high compared to casualties from knife fights, over-doze, obesity, and car accidents because of speeding Is there data for this question which would ba…

> Is there data for this question which would back restricting populations from having tools of self defense against tyrannic government(could happen in Canada too one day) and make it high priority for society compared to other problems? The US has these tools and a dictator upending the country and yet these tools are not being utilized.

half of the country supports him, so he is not really dictator.

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Post by mindslight »

hmmm-i-wonder wrote: post #179
watwut wrote: post #175

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No crime is ever committed by law abiding citizen, by definition. That being said, lawfully acquired guns are routinelly used in crimes. Plus, they make gun owning men (specifically) much more successful at killing themselves. Plus they cause accidents. Guns are waay more likely to be used by tyrants supporters then by anybody else. Case in point, republicans support president dismantling democracy and own more guns.

The best take of the current US situation is still "NRA fails to live up to its only reason for existing and doesn't stand up to the tyrannical government"

It was clear they were full of shit when they didn't stand up for Kenneth Walker, which was the exact fucking night time home defense scenario they're always fantasizing about.

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Post by simne »

hmmm-i-wonder wrote: post #274
riku_iki wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see your examples as in opposite direction. In Ukraine, militia with rifles ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Defence_Forces_(Uk... ) dug into the ground and stopped invasion of 1M army with thousands of armored vehicles, absolute superiority in artillery, airforces, tactical missiles and 100B annual budget. In Gaza, Israel with all tech advantages struggles to efficiently police relatively small urban ar…

Yes the Territorial Defence forces in Ukraine, an example of government backed reserves/semi-trained forces with equipment far beyond the oversimplification of "rifles". Actual untrained civilian forces with nothing but rifles on their own made little impact to the speed of russian advances however, which after multiple defeats and setbacks led to the formation of that defence force. Gaza is a whole can of worms in m…

> Actual untrained civilian forces with nothing but rifles

This is myth. Ukrainian war began in 2014 and all adequate Ukrainians learned books about war or have some training, and this was very respectful form of pastime.

Plus, many Ukrainians just served in military from 2014 consciously, this was great patriotic boom.

To be honest, I think, if Ukrainian science and education was reformed before war 2022, we would be much better prepared and would not lost additional territories. But unfortunately, we hear from our governments constant "don't critic us, or Putin will attack", and this is hard to broke circle.

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Post by mindslight »

machomaster wrote: post #278
rayiner wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the basis of that index. Are they alleging US elections are rigged?

Why are you asking questions instead of easily reading about the index criteria?

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