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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by franktankbank »

jcranmer wrote: post #90
freehorse wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole situation -coupled with the outright bans or obstacles in giving visas to people from several countries- cannot but have unpredictable consequences. For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. And if they do, they should get boycotted. US right now is neither accessible nor safe for foreign citizens. And I bet recruiting or holding to high…

> For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. There is a language standards committee meeting that was going to take place in the US that is now not because too many attendees think the US is no longer a safe place to travel to. We're already seeing this damage take place.

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by ethbr1 »

freehorse wrote: post #89
ethbr1 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a couple things. One is the private prison industry being incentivized to hold as many people as possible. But there's also a bureaucracy (ICE and State) with little to no pressure to perform better for this particular population (because who cares about criminals?). Consequently, you get an industry that's perfectly happy to warehouse people... coupled with a slow and ineffective government controlling the keys…

At this point, I am not sure if we can exclude that lobbying from private prisons does not affect the way bureaucracy runs, from the stage of legislation to the point of how said legislation is executed. Thus I am not sure that these two are in truly independent. But otherwise I agree; even in places where detention facilities are not privatised, bureaucracy can still pose a lot of issues because, as you say, "who ca…

The "I don't know"s in the article smack of bureaucratic ineffectiveness more than deliberate obsfuscation.

To wit, that no one actually cares about doing anything.

And granted, that's long been a consequence of low morale in the prison and ICE employee pool, but now it's coupled with a removal of even the least pressure from above to do the job well.

In short, I don't think "Be cruel to people" needs to be messaged from above: "We don't care about anyone you're holding" is sufficient for low-level employees to be their worst selves.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by throw7 »

This is normal immigration. People caught in these "constitution free"/immigration zones need to be processed a lot faster.

It's a safe bet this girl got out "fast" because of the outside pressure. We need to be hiring a lot more immigration judges/personnel that adjudicate and process these people out of the public/private prison complex.

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Post by oefrha »

the_af wrote: post #101

Why do people want to live in the US and jump through all these hoops and be subject to arbitrary detentions, anyway? The bureaucracy is hellish. Many other countries have decent living conditions and don't randomly mistreat the people trying to make a living, nor do they behave understanding or cruel at the whim of whoever's in office. Or if they do, it's not as bad as in the US. Is it just that the US is closer to…

> Why do people want to live in the US and jump through all these hoops and be subject to arbitrary detentions, anyway?

Lots of people, especially those from third world countries, don’t know what they are getting into. They’ve been brainwashed into believing “the American dream” (that anyone can find good jobs, be homeowners, etc.) by movies, television, social media, and other immigrants making money in the immigration business (many of whom were, ironically, lured in by their predecessors and ended up not able to find the dream jobs they were promised). This is why you hear about people blowing $10-100k on gang trafficking services to get in from Mexico, which is super puzzling otherwise when you consider that kind of money goes a long way in their home countries.

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Post by themaninthedark »

CaffeineLD50 wrote: post #5

I suspect they are under pressure to juke their stats and they could get a gold star for "deporting" her. Ergo "you aren't a criminal. Come with me. You're being deported."

There are others commenting that she was employed in a business that sold illegal(federal level) drugs(THC).

Learning that, the declaration of "you aren't a criminal " seems welcome since they aren't jailing and trying her for distribution or some other bull.

I am interested in what the actual deportation order says... i.e. the cause for deportation.

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Post by otikik »

blindriver wrote: post #256
otikik wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the other way around. Since Clinton the Democrat party has become more and more republican-like. Now they are economically the same, and the only differences left are social signals. Both parties favor corporations and profit over people. Trump has wielded the (understandable) disgust that people had with that system, pointed at the Democrats and made them the enemy. And then is lowering taxes for rich guys and…

Wrong. Since when were Republicans anti-war and anti-free trade? Those are big issues for working class that helped him win the swing states.

> Since when were Republicans anti-war

Trump has been anti-war (with Putin, specifically) since his first term.

The Democratic party has never been anti-free trade either.

Nevertheless, what helped him win working class votes was discontent with the economy situation. Which is now going to get even worse. For the working class of course.

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Post by sebstefan »

otikik wrote: post #212
sebstefan wrote: post #47

>I was taken to the nurse’s office for a medical check. She asked what had happened to me. She had never seen a Canadian there before. When I told her my story, she grabbed my hand and said: “Do you believe in God?” >“I believe God brought you here for a reason,” she said. “I know it feels like your life is in a million pieces, but you will be OK. Through this, I think you are going to find a way to help others.” You…

> Keep your god out of work! That is very easy to type from the comfort of your home on your mobile phone. After several days of deprivations and hardships, including sleeping in a fully-lighted cold cell without even a blanket, you will get any help and support that you can get.

The entire country of France manages to have government workers that don't talk to you about their god just fine

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Post by ta1243 »

diggan wrote: post #227
ajkjk wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah no it hasn't

Isn't the bible involved in the whole inauguration part? Besides, candidates routinely discuss their faith, and "In God We Trust" appears on the currency. Edit: Hah, I just realized that congressional sessions open with prayer as well. Not sure what other countries does this?

Freedom of religion means you get to choose which sect of Christianity you worship, and if you're quiet about it you're allowed to be Jewish.
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