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America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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Re: America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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Some authors of this piece are deeply involved themselves in building robots and other hardware technology. They should be taken seriously. The US is moving into a trade war, however unwise, with the country that supplies components for everything we make and need. That country has expansionist ambitions and a superior manufacturing base, which is typically what wins wars.

Damn, thanks for plainly stating why we need manufacturing back to the states.

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Telling a sovereign nation, and the US’s closest ally, it should become the 51st US state isn’t making war, but it’s way more than imposing tariffs in contravention of treaties this president signed in his last term.

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Dairy quotas are part of USMCA.[1]

The issue under Biden was protectionist/preferential policies which were challenged and got changed through the dispute mechanism[2]. The changed policy was then disputed again but the US lost the dispute[3].

The US has never gotten close to surpassing the tariff-rate quotas so the tariffs haven't applied.[4] Though the American dairy industry claims that's because of further protectionist policies.[5]

I'm not an expert on this so if you have more specific information please share sources.

[1] https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/agreements/FTA/US...

[2] https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-...

[3] https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-...

[4] https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-trump-doesn-t-12005222...

[5] https://www.idfa.org/news/idfa-statement-on-potential-u-s-ta...

Re: America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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Quick peek on Wikipedia tells me that they've been producing Civic there since 2008.

Yeah I didn't understand how this was news. Civics and Accords for the US market have been produced in the US for decades. This isn't anything new to my eyes, maybe I missed something though.

>how this was news I'll explain. It's a 'news' article from an arm of a multinational conglomerate trying to massage the economic harm the isolationist fascists currently in charge of the us govt are doing for (hopefully) obvious material reasons. see also: literally any of wapo's recent journalistic history, the nyt on gaza, social media like twitter's political shift, the tech ceo's in the front row of trump's inauguration, or if you prefer books, manufacturing consent, technofuedalism (yanis), surveillance capitalism, etc, etc, etc. capitalists stick together.

Re: America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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I wonder if this is a consequence of the political systems of China vs the US. China tends to think and plan longer term, where as the US seems much more transactional; what will win me the next election / midterm etc.

> China tends to think and plan longer term... Pull the other one, we saw how they went in the 20th century. Large centralised governments have never managed to systemically outplan democracies. The issue is US culture has been giving priority to anti-industrialists. As a result they aren't the leader of the industrial world. This has been planned for a long time and a bunch of people were celebrating it the entire w…

> The issue is US culture has been giving priority to anti-industrialists.

Perhaps "anti-industrialist" and more the forces of "fictionalization"? That can distort companies that aren't industrial too.

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China is known to scale out in the low end market without having a strategy to go upmarket. Reading this article I honestly got the opposite impression. China is hopelessly behind Japan in both high end machine tools and robotics.

China has multiple 100% indigenous fifth-gen fighters man. They have domestically designed and built nuclear reactors. They have a 100% indigenous space station.

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Not gonna happen. On the 1% chance we have a fair election next time around and Dems get elected, they will be too busy cleaning up the Republican mess, and nobody will notice. Just like what happened under Biden. China ironically can end US by simply providing easy immigration for qualified tech workers.

> simply providing easy immigration for qualified tech workers. I dont believe those tech workers would wish to move, unless the political system in china changes to one that is more amenable to democracy; not to mention that having high salaries in the US, it will be impossible to achieve similar levels in china after migration (even if the PPP remains the same!).

Move to a democracy-amenable country that isn’t engaging in a trade with with China.

Re: America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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My point was robotics startups don't typically survive with generic products very long. They are acquired or go under even after they reach TRL launch stage. Best of luck =3

Acquisition is a common result for sucsessful deep tech startups. It's because scaling in these markets is hard and better done at large companies.

Perhaps, but a few competitors were left with EOL hardware after the Amazon acquisition... pushed out of that automated inventory transfer system.

Things scaled up at Amazon for sure, and no place else...

Best of luck =3

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This is correct, it does apply to all forms of wage increases. I wouldn't say "instantly," but yes that's why cities are perpetually expensive despite constantly increasing productivity. They are highly productive ergo they have high wages ergo they can sustain high rents ergo they have high rents ergo they "are expensive" compared to adjacent markets. Mentioned above but I'll put it here too for other readers: the r…

High cost of housing and rent is driven just as much by regulations preventing new housing from being built.

Regulations are causing the fact that housing prices follow purchasing power of potential buyers: it causes a shortage in supply, which means supply side can dictate prices. Prices will be what buyers can afford. Just wait for the next recession, housing prices will fall, even with the same regulations.

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What makes these plans go so successfully, when the soviets have historically not been able to make such plans successful (despite being richer and more powerful at the time)? This video about Argentina's economic failures mentions why free market capitalism failed in argentina, and why a "similar" opening up in china didnt fail (but not so much detail that another country could follow it and replicate the success).…

The early industrialization 5 year plans actually worked better for the Soviets than the Chinese, and I think it comes down to execution? Stalin being the more numerate psychopath? The last 30-40 years it's different, the Chinese have navigated market liberalization and transitioned from copying to leading in a number of areas, while still having a central planning aspect. It could be that some amount of central plan…

China to a large extent is following the Japanese and South Korean playbooks, to the point where the Chinese financial system runs under the concept of window guidance invented by the Japanese: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_guidance

The question is whether or not this blows up in China’s face when they stop accurately picking winners. We are already seeing the property bubble collapse in a manner similar to Japan’s.

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If the goal was "be better than the US" then sure. But presumably their strategy is aimed at actually improving their country as it is for it's own people to live in. Much of which has nothing to do with the US.

Why would you presume that? CCP has become far more autocratic, and the goals of autocracy: 1) maintain the autocracy 2) have a strong police to preserve the autocracy from rebellion 3) have a good enough economy to defend the autocracy from external threats ... ten more "for the autocracy" points ... improving the country for the people Also, Zeihan overselling or not, China is facing an unprecedented demographic de…

I'm a strong China hawk. But Beijing currently has an opportunity to craft a global alliance that balances the U.S. in a way that America has historically excelled at. Put another way, the idiots who voted this man in have turned America into an Axis power.
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