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Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by opan »

Mashimo wrote: post #227
Brybry wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even IRC was better for data archiving and searching. We usually had local logs we could grep and web-indexed/searchable logs from bots. It's really insane how much information is on Discord that is both impossible to discover and will silently disappear at some point.

> We usually had local logs we could grep and web-indexed/searchable logs from bots. But only IF you are good at regex. On discord you can easily filter by date or date range, if it has media, if it contains an URL or what user/roll got mentioned.

I still use IRC, irssi in particular. My go-to for searching local logs is `less` rather than grep. I have the date on every line in the log file. I can jump to a specific date easily, then search a different term up/down from that spot, and I see context of surrounding lines easily. No regex needed.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by ranger207 »

freeamz wrote: post #239
diggan wrote: post #15

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> I was wondering whether this was just a matrix client the entire front page. I dont see why you wouldn't utilize the matrix ecosystem with an already usable userbase when trying to recreate discord. Judging by the FAQ, they see Matrix as a protocol as "obtuse and unstable": > Does Revolt have federation? > As of right now, Revolt does not feature any federation and it is not in our feature roadmap. However, this do…

It is hard to get E2E (device 2 device) right. I get matrix is not perfect, but I have jet seen an open source alternative with both server/client implementation that get it right. One thing about matrix is that every device has a key in addition to the password, that key in in addition encrypted with another password, it makes it very difficult for average user, but then just use matrix in unencrypted mode to get th…

If Revolt is a Discord alternative, then they may have chosen not to implement E2E because their intended audience generally doesn't care for it and the UX is too confusing for a marginal perceived benefit

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by KomoD »

concerndc1tizen wrote: post #253
drpossum wrote: post #143

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> there's no ads This is a patently ignorant and ridiculous statement. They absolutely shove their own store garbage every release and upsell Nitro at every opportunity. Here's an article from last year about them explicitly introducing third party ads. https://techbriefly.com/2024/04/01/discord-introduces-ads-to...

I would define ads as promoting other businesses' products, as you would see on YouTube etc. Upselling is basically just unlocking additional features. If you object to that, then you're objecting to the freemium model, not to "ads".

> I would define ads as promoting other businesses' products, as you would see on YouTube etc.

They do that, they call them "quests". Companies pay them to promote their product/service and users get rewards for doing a task (like playing a game, watching a video, etc.) https://discord.com/ads/quests

The article that parent linked even says it.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by Pikamander2 »

agumonkey wrote: post #83
lordofgibbons wrote: post #47

The biggest selling point of Discord is its insane network effects. There are servers for libraries/frameworks, languages, ai/ml, math, whatever you can think of. And a lot of the adjacent ones will cross-link scheduled events and messages from other servers. I'm really hoping for an alternative. I'm always weary of en-shitification whenever a single platform wins all the users.. like what has happened to Reddit.

I thought the main value of discord was quick and solid voice / game stream integration. I rarely feel any connection between servers, but that might just be me.

It was a little bit of everything, really. Discord exploded in popularity because:

1. Its free functionality was more generous than many comparable services. Nobody wants to pay for a Mumble server.

2. Its UI and audio quality and noise cancellation settings put much of the competition to shame.

3. Only needing one account for every Discord server in existance gave it the same kind of appeal that let Reddit/Facebook kill off most individual forums.

4. Good marketing, which gave it the critical mass of users and hobby groups that it needed to succeed initially and now make it harder to move away from.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

Mashimo wrote: post #114
lordofgibbons wrote: post #47

The biggest selling point of Discord is its insane network effects. There are servers for libraries/frameworks, languages, ai/ml, math, whatever you can think of. And a lot of the adjacent ones will cross-link scheduled events and messages from other servers. I'm really hoping for an alternative. I'm always weary of en-shitification whenever a single platform wins all the users.. like what has happened to Reddit.

> The biggest selling point of Discord is its insane network effects. Ease of use is also up there. (Compared to IRC)

The combo of ease of use and rich feature set makes services like Discord hard to resist for users and hard to compete with for FOSS software/services which prefer to take more focused, more technologically-inclined approaches.

It’s a major factor in what made Reddit big, too. Spinning up a subreddit is effortless and takes practically no knowledge and similarly easy for users.

IRC doesn’t seem terribly complicated to me, but I came of age when using computers seriously required a higher level of knowledge. I don’t find it restrictive either, but when I started communicating with others online, being able to send “just” plain text was amazing. Things have changed since then… the communication styles popular with young people haven’t been strictly text in many years and the overarching expectation is to be able to start using services in seconds after discovering them with as few clicks and as little research as possible.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by agelas »

dingnuts wrote: post #230
Mashimo wrote: post #149

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But I assume that is because of the people on that specific server, not because of the software? Or is there something about discord that enables it, that IRC etc. does not have? I hang out with friends that predate discord, on discord and can't see it. Same with new servers.

happens on irc constantly too chat rooms are cliques, almost always choose any sufficiently populated room on libera chat, join, and start talking a lot without lurking first for awhile and see how the inhabitants react

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Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by MK2k »

Mashimo wrote: post #111
cies wrote: post #76

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This is sorely lacking on the homepage! All FLOSS is expected to link to the source from the homepage.

Yeah, I had to click around a bit to find the link. Oddly it was only on the discover page for servers I found it. Bottom left corner https://rvlt.gg/discover/servers But now I also know where to go if I'm in need of a femboy community.

front page, scroll down, there's Developers - Source Code

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by Shared404 »

stevetron wrote: post #264

Discord seems to be going the way of Skype: deprecating their support for Windows 7, in favor of a newer OS offering from Microsoft which harvests data in the background under the feeble guise of telemetry. Granted there is telelmetry in Windows 7, but you can disable it in Windows 7 and not worry obout it being over-ridden the next day, or even the same day, with some forced update.

If you're worried about Windows 10's/11's telemetry, you should read Discord's TOS.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by cdaringe »

magicalhippo wrote: post #64
mid-kid wrote: post #51

Is this still centralized? Or can you self-host without needing a separate client instance for each host?

https://github.com/revoltchat/self-hosted As for clients I don't know.

The compose file specified a service for the web app

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by hirako2000 »

bee_rider wrote: post #274
INTPenis wrote: post #80

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I think the biggest selling point is clearly the community. Without the community revolt.chat is just another Mattermost or Matrix. Discord is popular for one reason and one reason only, all the young people are there. The secret is how did they get popular with young kids? Well they offered a free service obviously, just like Google, just like Facebook. I've been trying to explain this to a friend recently. You're o…

Yeah, it is the chat program treadmill. Spend investor money to host a completely commoditized program. Of course it is better than the version that costs money by virtue of being free. Eventually run out of investor money and do something unpopular to raise revenue, leaving the opportunity for the next iteration to come in for free and take your spot. The only thing I don’t really understand is why investors keep fa…

Investors aren't falling for it. Users are falling for it.

Leaking millions for years pays off in the end, or even half way through. Some investors would exit at some stage. Taking profit due to valuation going up, despite no revenue/profit.

At the end of the tunnel is acquisition by a major player who is basically buying the users.

Typical examples: Skype, whatsapp.

But also LinkedIn. GitHub.

Businesses that offered some (basically) free offering for over a decade until reaching critical user base, then sold off for billions. Reason being precious data along with millions of daily active eyeballs.

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