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Re: Tailscale is pretty useful

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I don't think most users use those integrations, they're mostly just a feature bullet point.

SO those features are unusable?

Most users (tailnets) are not an enterprise. Most users not using a feature doesn’t mean it’s not useful or valuable.

Re: Tailscale is pretty useful

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Call me Cappy Paranoid, but I fall into the camp of "You should never trust a service provider, ever ," and build infrastructure accordingly; I believe this falls into an extreme interpretation of "zero trust". So while also implementing Tailnet locks and other security measures to constrict traffic flow, I'd also consider going a step further by only permitting server or resource access based on client certificate v…

If you can't trust service providers, you probably also can't trust software suppliers.

Definitely not true. You can audit software (it could be not easy, but ultimately doable) and skip the updates until you have capacity to audit those. You can't audit a third-party service, no matter what you do.

Re: Tailscale is pretty useful

#283

Tailscale is becoming less useful as network providers become hostile to it. Last week I noticed McDonalds guest wifi is blocking new connections over the tailscale control ports. It will pass wireguard mesh traffic for established sessions, but their firewall rules prevent you from establishing new ones.

Any Wireguard-based solutions are quickly becoming useless in modern hostile networks due to extreme simplicity of protocol detection. You need at least something like Shadowsocks (at minimum), or more likely XRay or VLESS and build the mesh yourself.

Re: Tailscale is pretty useful

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See also Nebula: https://nebula.defined.net/docs/ https://nebula.defined.net/docs/guides/quick-start/ ...I believe 100% open source. You can basically hub between different devices (including iOS/Android) that are identified via certs. Recommended to have one or more public "lighthouses" so anything that can reach a lighthouse can reach any of your other servers (maybe kindof "syncthing for vpn/overlay-network?"). I'…

The Nebula Android app is not open source:( That's why I dropped it, personally.

https://github.com/DefinedNet/mobile_nebula/issues/19#issuec...

https://github.com/DefinedNet/mobile_nebula/issues/142

Re: Tailscale is pretty useful

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Tailscale is one of my favorite companies. They're clearly on to something. Here's a great post by their CTO explaining a lot of the motivation and vision behind it: https://crawshaw.io/blog/remembering-the-lan IMO the main outstanding questions/concerns are: * Is the VPN model really the way to go? If someone gets their hands on one of your Tailscale nodes, they can access every service on your tailnet, which are li…

> I wonder if the average person will ever be willing to install a VPN app on all their devices.

Of course the average person will be willing to install a VPN app: all it takes is a bit of internet censorship, blocking access to their favourite services, and some geofencing, where services limit access to them based on IP address.

Just ask people from China, Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, UK, Germany, etc.

Re: Tailscale is pretty useful

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call me Cappy Paranoid, but I fall into the camp of "You should never trust a service provider, ever ," and build infrastructure accordingly; I believe this falls into an extreme interpretation of "zero trust". So while also implementing Tailnet locks and other security measures to constrict traffic flow, I'd also consider going a step further by only permitting server or resource access based on client certificate v…

> Call me Cappy Paranoid, but I fall into the camp of "You should never trust a service provider, ever," and build infrastructure accordingly; I believe this falls into an extreme interpretation of "zero trust". That's not what Zero Trust means, at all.

…which is why I qualified it with the phrase, “extreme interpretation of”, and made sure to encapsulate “Zero trust” in quotes to make it clear I wasn’t being technically literal in my description. Grammar and punctuation matter when you’re deliberately misusing a known term as a metaphor to make a point.

That being said, the core concept of ZTA is that no user or device should be trusted by default. So yes, my statement is still generally correct even if it’s not how the term is often or commonly used.

Re: Tailscale is pretty useful

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Tailscale is one of my favorite companies. They're clearly on to something. Here's a great post by their CTO explaining a lot of the motivation and vision behind it: https://crawshaw.io/blog/remembering-the-lan IMO the main outstanding questions/concerns are: * Is the VPN model really the way to go? If someone gets their hands on one of your Tailscale nodes, they can access every service on your tailnet, which are li…

> I wonder if the average person will ever be willing to install a VPN app on all their devices. Of course the average person will be willing to install a VPN app: all it takes is a bit of internet censorship, blocking access to their favourite services, and some geofencing, where services limit access to them based on IP address. Just ask people from China, Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, UK, Germany, etc.

But what you're referring to as a "VPN app" is something very different than what the parent poster is referring to with respect to what Tailscale is.

When you use services like NordVPN, Mullvad, Surfshark, etc., you're just installing a VPN client, and you're basically just using them as a reverse proxy to hide your IP address (present it as coming from another country). That is the use case you are talking about.

Tailscale is very different. It is about setting up your own VPN so that you can access devices from your home or wherever from the Internet at large in a secure manner.

Re: Tailscale is pretty useful

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Other replies explained the why, though cgnat wouldn’t be a problem if you also had ipv6. Luckily for me I have a regular ip4 address but if that ever changed I’d be out of luck unless my isp (quantum fibre) implemented a proper ipv6 solution.

CGNAT isn't used with ipv6, right?

I’m not an expert on this but I can’t imagine why it would be deployed that way given the complexity it adds.

Re: Tailscale is pretty useful

#290
> I know its local IP address and can ssh into it easily when I’m home, but when I’m outside, that’s not possible as it’s not exposed to the internet.

I never understood this problem. I just create a Tor hidden service when I want to ssh into a machine behind a firewall.

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