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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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The American government has been compromised by Russia. It no longer represents American interests, but Russian interests. Whether the senior powers in America are compromised, complicit, or opportunist, it doesn't matter. America is being damaged. Russian interests are being prioritized over American interests. Our military is too powerful for direct conflict, so alternative conflict against our political structure…

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I've wholeheartedly disagreed with a lot that past administrations, especially liberal administrations, said and did. But I don't recall ever being so absolutely disgusted by them as I am today.

We are currently watching the downfall of the current world order and the US as a bastion of democracy. And I'm not exaggerating. Trump is aligning himself with Russian interests. He even had a Russian state media representative at that meeting. Rome had to fall, I'm sorry I'm living to see it.

Trump, you'll never read this, but I need to say it anyway...there aren't words to describe how despicable you are. Tyrant wannabee and greedy coward. You are selling the American soul to cozy up to a murder and rapist. Those who voted for you have no excuse. You were always clear about the kind of man you are.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Probably told him that since he and his government cannot account for tens of billions of dollars that the US gave them, and that we have evidence that Ukraine is selling arms to Mexican cartels (designated terrorist organizations), that we would no longer tolerate our relationship, as is.

Somehow all of the whiny commenters on here forget that DJT's first administration provided considerable CIA/Tier1 training and resources to the Ukrainian military. Then Russia invaded while Biden was president. They didn't invade on Trump's watch. They invaded while Biden was running(?) our country. Now, yet again, Trump has to go clean up the mess -- just like he did after Obama gave Putin the flexibility to invade Ukraine after his win in the 2012 election.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Usually we keep the mainstream news out of here but felt I had to post this one because I've never seen anything like it and was curious to hear other people's perspective here.

To me it feels like a setup to look good in front of their audience without any proper desire to engage in true diplomacy.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Most here will not like that opinion, but I think this is essentially a good thing, it will eventually end this war - at huge costs for Ukraine. The fault of the USA is not that they now pressure Ukraine towards ending this war, the fault of the USA was that they did not accept Russia's demand - or at least tried to find an acceptable compromise - for Ukraine not to join NATO which caused this tragedy.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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The American government has been compromised by Russia. It no longer represents American interests, but Russian interests. Whether the senior powers in America are compromised, complicit, or opportunist, it doesn't matter. America is being damaged. Russian interests are being prioritized over American interests. Our military is too powerful for direct conflict, so alternative conflict against our political structure…

No, it is for once representing American interests. Not Ukrainian interests. Not Lockheed Martin’s interest.

Americans don’t want to be embroiled in endless wars.

What is your alternative? Keep sending billions to Ukraine? Send American soldiers to die? What is it you would like to happen? Are you going to die for Ukraine? Are you going to send your kids to die there?

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I got this weird dissonance - like this was a science from a TV show about the White House, because no-one, I mean no-one would ever do that inpublic. Apart from common courtesy, even basic management training says praise in public, criticise in private. Just doing this in front of the world’s media … it’s hard to understand

I thought it looked like an episode of The Apprentice.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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I don't agree with the execution, but here's what I think this is what Trump is really trying to do: Right now, it's basically the US vs Russia and China. But what Trump is betting on is that it could be the US + EU + Russia vs China. In order for this to happen though, the EU must build their own military. The EU could and should be a superpower, but they're not. Instead they're living off the US military. The US ha…

Poisoning the relationship with the EU is not going to achieve this. Oh, and I'd put money on a rapprochement with China of some sort happening.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#290

The American government has been compromised by Russia. It no longer represents American interests, but Russian interests. Whether the senior powers in America are compromised, complicit, or opportunist, it doesn't matter. America is being damaged. Russian interests are being prioritized over American interests. Our military is too powerful for direct conflict, so alternative conflict against our political structure…

They turned a country that is orders of magnitude more powerful and prosperous into a client state mostly through tweets and facebook slop.

It’s incredible, they’ll be studying it for decades.

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