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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by anonym29 »

huang_chung wrote: post #239
anonym29 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's chromium, and then, for those who take their privacy more seriously than the average VPN customer that just wants to do piracy, there's ungoogled-chromium. It's like chromium, just without feeding heaps of your personally-identifying metadata directly to Google, who give it directly to the NSA, who give it directly to Elon Musk and DOGE. Remember, ALL mass surveillance by ALL intelligence agencies is ALWAYS a…

> metadata directly to Google, who give it directly to the NSA, who give it directly to Elon Musk and DOGE Source?

sources:

- Google's own privacy policy

- Extensive evidence provided by brave national heroes and civil rights legends like Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning, including training materials for specific named NSA programs like PRISM that offer explicit lists of cooperating partners, including Google, Microsoft, Apple - basically every big tech company, but also smaller but popular ones, such as Skype (pre-Microsoft acquisition); this is well known among technology's civil rights advocates, and isn't hard to find discussion of by credible technologists, including the folks behind Protonmail¹

- Elon & DOGE: see literally every major American news network besides Fox pretty much since the inauguration, large swathes of the internet, several prominent discussions on HN. It's not just illegally mass-surveilled stuff either, they're going through all sorts of classified stuff right now!

¹ Here's one such example literally on the front page as of the time of writing this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43201732

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by msla »

jesterson wrote: post #187
anvuong wrote: post #165

Firefox performance has been trash for years, for many reasons. I still stick with it because it was included in my Ubuntu 8.04, which was the first OS I installed by myself, and more recently because of its stand regarding privacy. Now I might as well bite the bullet and move to Chrome or Edge, performance is much much better.

How do you define performance? For my use case I don't see any difference in speed compared to say, Safari.

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by wright-goes »

pilaf wrote: post #232

This made me look into Firefox forks/alternatives: Librewolf [1] seems to be fairly active (last commit on Codeberg was last week) and up-to-date with the latest upstream releases (mirrors FF's versioning scheme and matches their latest). Has a nice focus on privacy and no-telemetry. Floorp [2] also looks active (last commit last week), also claims focus on privacy. Based off FF's extended support releases so it may…

I use librewolf as my daily driver after the Firefox "privacy preserving ad measurement" SNAFU last year [1,2]. The fingerprint resistant and anti-canvas functions were different, but I got used to them and I really appreciate the added features.

With that, having everything turned on can break some sites. If a site wasn't all that important and isn't respecting privacy, I just won't visit it. Otherwise, I'll keep another browser around just in case I absolutely must for business or something else.

When Firefox began opting people in by default to leak data to advertisers, it felt like the beginning of the end to me. After looking into canvas and other fingerprinting capabilities, it's somehow still surprising and alarming to me how far companies go to invade our privacy.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40971247 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40974112

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Post by nisa »

jack_pp wrote: post #265
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #229

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The Puritans have been trying to ban porn here since the concept has existed, it's never stopped, and it's never going to stop. They're miserable and they want everyone else to be too. That's like most of their religion. Going to church, being ashamed of bodies, and judging people.

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It's about imposing your view of the world on others. That's the problem here with the puritanians.

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Post by tokioyoyo »

Mistletoe wrote: post #155
userbinator wrote: post #151

The other WTF is here: Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy, and you agree that you will not use Firefox to infringe anyone’s rights or violate any applicable laws or regulations. Acceptable Use Policy links to https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/ which says "You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that…

We are under an attack by Puritanism that is quite astounding actually. And no one is doing anything. Everyone just keeps bending the knee. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1hqqpbt/newest_ver... Some of the things that are happening are just from the threat of “something bad might come down from the new administration”. It’s so ridiculous.

My conspiracy theory is that gears are slowly turning to revamp the culture, redefine what’s acceptable/not acceptable and eventually suggest that if you won’t have kids you’re not accepted in the society. Basically a funky way to reverse the population decline, as the governments are realizing this problem won’t be fixed by free markets and etc.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by ryandrake »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #286
Mistletoe wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are under an attack by Puritanism that is quite astounding actually. And no one is doing anything. Everyone just keeps bending the knee. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1hqqpbt/newest_ver... Some of the things that are happening are just from the threat of “something bad might come down from the new administration”. It’s so ridiculous.

My conspiracy theory is that gears are slowly turning to revamp the culture, redefine what’s acceptable/not acceptable and eventually suggest that if you won’t have kids you’re not accepted in the society. Basically a funky way to reverse the population decline, as the governments are realizing this problem won’t be fixed by free markets and etc.

It seems like not so much a conspiracy theory as something totally transparent and out in the open. There's a huge political push to birth as many babies as possible. Major political parties have it as part of their platform. Their spokespeople talk derisively of "childless cat ladies" and how you're not a real contributor to society unless you produce babies.

The "Birth" lobby is a stool composed of several legs:

1. Attack abortion

2. Attack contraception

3. Attack porn

4. Attack education

5. Attack "women in the workforce"

All of these things are seen as contributing to declining birth rates, so they're opposed by Big Birth. You can see the same politicians tend to go after these things in lock step.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by Marsymars »

maxrmk wrote: post #192

I think this probably isn't as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. But I find a certain kind of joy in Mozilla being judged on the worst possible interpretation of their terms of service, since they do that to others _all the time_ [1]. [1] https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/

I tend to agree with you, but I’d hope that given how badly this has been received, Mozilla finds some better writers to put some better thought into the contents of their ToS and issue some corrections in the near future.
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