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I found a backdoor into my bed

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Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by papichulo4 »

wedn3sday wrote: post #66

A $20/month bed subscription is objectively hilarious. I cant imagine how this company attracts a non-zero number of clients.

Disclaimer: I own one. TL;DR: What can you give me for ~$70/mo (amortized over 5 years including bed) that makes my sleep better without me having to do anything or put anything in my body?

Think of the alternatives I have: Sleeping pills. Sleep studies. Benzos. "Supplements." Weight loss. Working out. Sleeping hygiene routines. FWIW, I've done/do all of these. They work, and they are work.

Sleep is more important to my health than what I eat. Some of us are like this. You know us. We're your colleagues, friends. You've seen us, heard us mope around.

I checked it out because I saw Bryan Johnson talk about it. Found it to be stupid, the price, the app, the subscription, I get what everyone here is saying. You are right. But, there was a free-x-nights trial policy and curiosity got the better of me.

So far, it's been amazing (5-6 months in).

+ You can slap a faux button/area on the bed to change temp without the app.

+ This App, mentioned in the article, it works 100% of the time, and it's fast. I suspect it's over LAN when you're home, at least it's that fast. For comparison, $3.2 billion dollar Nest's app isn't reliable nor fast -- How many total days of your life have you already lost to a synchronous thermostat app that needs to auth/connect with Google before you're allowed to change the temperature of the room you're sitting in? :) Come on, tell me the truth!

Does that help clarify why this sells?

Note: The bed is now $3k, not $2k, plus sales tax. Amortized over 5 years $3k + $240 * 5 = $4200. Divide by 60 months.

Note: Lots of misunderstanding in the thread by people who haven't checked the product out. It's not even a bed, guys, it's a liquid-cooled cover that fit's on top of your existing mattress. If you want the motorized mattress that lifts you when you snore, that's another few thousand dollars.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by lijok »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #236
lijok wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

*subjectively. Once you realize just how important quality sleep is, and how much this can help, $20/month bed subscription becomes a laughably small price to pay.

in a way, yes. 20$/month to marginally improve sleep efficiency can be worth it, especially when you have high energy expenditure and need to be able to keep up. on the other hand, paying 20$/month for the right to use the bed, that your purchased at 2000$ cost is a ripoff. sleeping isn't costly, has never been, yet a company is trying to enforce it and i can see how it doesn't go well with most people.

Why is it a ripoff? Is anyone being swindled?

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by gfkclzhzo »

I have a chilipad - https://sleep.me/

It's good for temperature control, you can set a profile that changes over night. The cooling is a complete fix for night sweats. It heats too, but I don't use it. I don't use the sleep tracking features.

My only semi-major complaint is that the pump is kind of loud. Only annoyance is that you need to have it connected to wifi w/ internet to set the temperature profile w/ the app, but it keeps working afterwards w/o internet.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by idiotsecant »

jimt1234 wrote: post #223

> For someone who suffers from insomnia this seemed worth a shot. I can relate, having suffered the same for most of my life. One thing that really helped me was a simple white noise machine, typically used to help babies sleep. Good: I sleep great with it. Also, it's not connected to the internet and doesn't require an app. Bad: I basically can't sleep without it. I have to travel with it (camping!). I even purchase…

For the price of a white noise machine you can buy a 10A squirrel cage blower, some mdf to make a box out of, a contactor, and a smart plug and have a white noise machine that filters your air, turns on and off from your phone, and also makes white noise. It can also act as a table to put your phone on and a charge point.

I had the two problems of poor sleep without white noise and a dog allergy and now I have neither.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by rufus_foreman »

jimt1234 wrote: post #223

> For someone who suffers from insomnia this seemed worth a shot. I can relate, having suffered the same for most of my life. One thing that really helped me was a simple white noise machine, typically used to help babies sleep. Good: I sleep great with it. Also, it's not connected to the internet and doesn't require an app. Bad: I basically can't sleep without it. I have to travel with it (camping!). I even purchase…

I have two white noise machines, have them in stereo, one on each side of the bed. It's useful to be able to adjust them separately, I've got tinnitus in one ear more than the other so don't need it to be as loud on that side.

As I get older, deafness will likely reduce my need to rely on technology.

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Post by mvanbaak »

connicpu wrote: post #257
westmeal wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My room mate had one of these and I found out there was a script online someone put together on github I think to control it over a shell. Was hilarious because I kept turning off their light at weird times.

Yikes, does the hub have some kind of unauthenticated http server exposed to the LAN? Yet another reason I run open source software rather than buying the proprietary hubs.

You have to tap the button on the hub and then you have 30 seconds to send a specific package to create a user. So yeah, not super, but also not totally u authenticated

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by polishdude20 »

I knew there was some shady shit going on with eight sleep! Back last year I posted a comment on Veritasium's YouTube channel because he had eight sleep as a sponsor. I commented that eight sleep is a privacy nightmare.

Anyways, feels good to be vindicated.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by [deleted] »

asdff wrote: post #166
EvanAnderson wrote: post #3

The state of the product's security wasn't unexpected. I was, however, shocked by this part: > I was willing to overlook: > The bed costs $2,000 > It won’t function if the internet goes down > Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription > The bed’s only controls are via mobile app Nothing about this bed should depend on off-site servers. Nothing about the product should necessitate a subscription fee.…

>The market is clearly too stupid to vote against the rent seeking tech industry. It makes me so sad. It is a $2000 dollar internet connected bed. The market in this case is probably people who could wipe their ass with that $20 every day and not miss it. I don't think they are stupid. This class of Americans has always been about paying for ongoing service instead of being pragmatic or doing things themselves. "Let…

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Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by polishdude20 »

qwertox wrote: post #251

I have an esp32 next to my bed. I log the rssi strength and with that i know when i was in the bed and when i changed position. It also has a pir which detects movement, but tracking the rssi is good enough. A phone would be just as good, and I wouldn't be surprised if some sdk tracks the rssi of the phone to check if something changes around the phone. It's very telling.

Oh that's clever! Can you explain more how the rssi changes when you change positions? Is it fairly obvious in a graph?

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by defrost »

BizarroLand wrote: post #265
collingreen wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a super funny idea if it works (in theory; I get it's a joke) and a SUPER funny idea if it malfunctions in particular ways.

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