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At this point there’s only really one thing I want from an iPhone and that’s an option for a 12/13 mini sized device again. Surely those phones didn’t sell so few that it’s not worth doing at all?

I am still using my 13 Mini. I got it, because I knew that it would be the last Mini Apple does. I plan to use it, until I need to charge the battery every 15 minutes.

Just so you know, the batteries are replaceable ;)

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

#282

At this point there’s only really one thing I want from an iPhone and that’s an option for a 12/13 mini sized device again. Surely those phones didn’t sell so few that it’s not worth doing at all?

If they can standardize their whole lineup around two sizes, regular and max, then I think it will be a very hard sell to add extra work and complexity for the production lines for a smaller size that sells both lower volumes and lower price. Don't get me wrong, I love the Mini and have one right now, but from a business management perspective I can totally see how getting rid of it makes sense. Another aspect that I…

> I think it will be a very hard sell to add extra work for the production lines for a smaller size

The Toyota Corolla sells 1 million units a year worldwide - it's totally practical and realistic to set up a production line to make 1 million devices a year.

Apple sells 200 million iphones a year.

That's why they're happy to make the iPhone 16, 16 Plus, 16 Pro, 16 Pro Max and 16e and offer them in 4-5 colours per model as well.

It's something else - probably sales.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My cell phone has a 3.7v, 2018 mAh battery, for a total of 7.4 watt-hours. That's enough power to drive a Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus a distance of... 55 meters. Even if Qualcomm's code was solely responsible for completely draining my phone's battery every single day, it would still not be very much power.

Multiply that by 100 million phones and you'll understand what I'm saying.

Now multiply that by 6 billion, because that apparently is the number of smartphones sold over the last few years.

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#284

Check out the battery life! > iPhone 16e has the best battery life ever on a 6.1-inch iPhone, lasting up to six hours longer than iPhone 11 and up to 12 hours longer than all generations of iPhone SE. Their page comparing models claims the new 16e gets "26 hours video playback." iPhone 16e: 26 hours iPhone 16: 22 hours iPhone 15: 20 hours iPhone 14: 20 hours iPhone 13: 19 hours iPhone 12: 17 hours iPhone 11: 17 hours…

My Nokia 3310 lasted for over a week before recharge in 2000.

But how many hours of video playback?

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#285

> the first cellular modem designed by Apple Whoah! Maybe Apple can now figure out how to put a cellular modem in a MacBook Pro.

But couldn’t this previously have happened with a Qualcomm modem as well? You can always easily tether to your iPhone. It’s hard to imagine people who own a Mac but don’t have a phone — I assume Android can also provide tethering? Aside from the BOM price increase and physical real estate, do want to pay $10/mo or whatever for an additional line?

It could have, but my understanding is that Qualcomm's contracting is pretty brutal. They had no choice but to accept those terms with the iPhone. With the Mac, so long as they were selling without the modem, why bother?

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#286

What I really want Apple to release is a foldable like Google Pixel and Samsung Galaxy’s flagship models. The idea of having a normal screen on the front but then a second foldable screen inside is a great tradeoff between form and function. Unfortunately I can’t see Apple releasing this because it harms their tablet sales. Hopefully I’m proven wrong though.

Have you used one? Is it really better? Putting aside the biggest issue which is a creased and more fragile screen, I’m not really convinced it’s a better experience. Having more real estate for movies seems useful, but it’s otherwise difficult to type/hold/tap on such a large screen without a full commitment to tablet usage (which often includes a stand). I’m also not really sure how often I’d use the larger format.

The flagship foldables have two screens. A screen on the front that’s a full sized screen just like any other smart phone screen of the last 10 years.

But you can then fold the phone open to get access to that wider screen.

So you get the best of both worlds, a normal phone handset for one handed action. But a larger screen for when you want something that’s a little more “tablet” like.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

#287

At this point there’s only really one thing I want from an iPhone and that’s an option for a 12/13 mini sized device again. Surely those phones didn’t sell so few that it’s not worth doing at all?

It might be a good idea to just buy the 13 mini. It's not like anything on phones got any better in the last 4 years. And it's still available, for roughly 30% less compared to before it was discontinued by Apple. Which might be the answer to your question actually.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 13 mini was discontinued in 2023. The smallest possible iPhone ever was possibly the original iPhone.

You can still buy a pristine 13 mini on the secondary market. The original iPhone is not a viable device today, but the 13 mini is better across every tech axis (better processor, battery life, screen, camera, ...) than the SE and is worth comparing to.

>but the 13 mini is better across every tech axis (better processor, battery life, screen, camera, ...) than the SE and is worth comparing to.

They have the exact same A15 Bionic, with the same 4GB of memory. The 13 mini has an extra 400maH of battery.

I've had both and the iPhone SE (2022) lasted longer in my personal use. (sold the 13 in an antiapple mood only to come back and get an SE later)

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#289

How possible is it for there to be a "disruptor" to the smartphone market? I think Apple's selling point is the app ecosystem, but I personally don't use apps all that much. Just a few big ones and they're all just for communication: FB Messenger, WhatsApp, SIM, SnapChat. And the web browser, maps. I'm 27. Why can't someone just manufacture a screen, some buttons, little computer, then software for communication and…

You're describing the vast majority of Android phones.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

#290

Check out the battery life! > iPhone 16e has the best battery life ever on a 6.1-inch iPhone, lasting up to six hours longer than iPhone 11 and up to 12 hours longer than all generations of iPhone SE. Their page comparing models claims the new 16e gets "26 hours video playback." iPhone 16e: 26 hours iPhone 16: 22 hours iPhone 15: 20 hours iPhone 14: 20 hours iPhone 13: 19 hours iPhone 12: 17 hours iPhone 11: 17 hours…

It's possible the battery chemistry has also changed. In the last 12-18 months, a bunch of Android phones have gotten large battery capacity upgrades, apparently thanks to silicon-carbon anodes being mature enough for mass production. Presumably Apple is now doing the sam thing.

Do signs point toward Apple adopting a unique, new cell chemistry for what will be their high-volume budget product for the next few years? It would have probably been a marketing line if so, similar to the C1 modem. A bigger battery doesn't imply new tech.

(Yes, the phone expensive now, but these SE-tier phones typically get discounts pretty quickly after release through carriers/non-apple retail; and then a bigger & formal sale price decrease when the next phone generation comes out.)

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