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"Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by marcosdumay »

alsoforgotmypwd wrote: post #269
marcosdumay wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we drop the "tech" prefix from our neo-feudalism? Technology is necessarily a progressive force, and feudalism is necessarily a stagnatory conservative structure. The "Tech Supremacy" group is visibly opposed to technology, and it's reflecting more and more on society as they gain power.

No, because it's enabled by the tech industry and tech figures. It's not big pharma or big oil that has anywhere near as much lobbying power or money.

So... "tech industry" is the name we give to the companies investing heavily on stopping technological improvements?

And yes, I know that it is. It's just, can we drop the Orwellianism and change the name?

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ike2792 wrote: post #230
steveBK123 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the problem with people being OK with executive overreach when "their team" is in power. Eventually, and in fact about 50% of the time - the OTHER team is in power.. and may just push the overreach further. We should desire that the legislative side actually legislates and each branch of the government holds the other two in check, regardless of partisan control. Further having our judicial branch become open…

This is the crux of the issue. Executive power has been gradually expanded since at least the end of WWII, but things have accelerated since the early 00's. Think GWB's "signing statements" or Obama's "phone and pen." Trump I, Biden, and now Trump II have continued to push the limits, in part because of a desire for more power but also because Congress hasn't functioned as an institution in decades. Congress has pass…

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Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by Arubis »

xyzal wrote: post #174
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #11

As Americans that believe in the Republic, what exactly are we supposed to do about this? Should we continue to implore congress to take action against this lawless behavior?

Where are the mass protests? Are there even any people in the streets?

They're happening. And they're not getting much media coverage. It may be that we're at the point where this isn't an effective tactic.

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

deadbabe wrote: post #270
Terr_ wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This Executive Order says they are law, checkmate, sane people.

Judge can say no it isn’t and you’ll have to fight it out in court.

The judge doesn't have control of law enforcement and the military.

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Post by mmusson »

dkobia wrote: post #128

This new administration lays bare what we've known all along - the legislative gridlock and dysfunction in the house of representatives and senate has made them completely incapable of governing -- the least productive in a generation. This is opened up an opportunity for a well funded strongman, and the checks and balances that were intended to protect our democracy are now mere suggestions.

Power abhors a vacuum.

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Post by Zamaamiro »

jokoon wrote: post #279
Zamaamiro wrote: post #258

This EO, combined with his proclamation that "He who saves the country does not violate any law" paint a very concerning picture. This has, historically speaking, been the language of tyrants. No President is above the law, nor does the President "interpret" the law; that is the domain of the Judiciary. “Wherever law ends, tyranny begins”

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I don't like using the Hitler comparison because it makes people have a kneejerk reaction and tune you out, but it is plainly undeniable that Trump makes many statements that could be attributed, word for word, to any number of authoritarians and tyrants throughout history.

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Post by jmull »

apexalpha wrote: post #88

>A White House Liaison is to be installed in every independent regulatory agency to enforce direct presidential control Wow. Literally installing political officers in agencies.

It works for red China, why not the USA too?

BTW, it's not Trump we're going to have to worry about. It's the next guy, who will have Trump imprisoned or executed for treason. This one won't be a blunderer, though, and will seize these levers of control much more firmly and competently.

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Post by maxwell »

buttercraft wrote: post #274
dkobia wrote: post #128

This new administration lays bare what we've known all along - the legislative gridlock and dysfunction in the house of representatives and senate has made them completely incapable of governing -- the least productive in a generation. This is opened up an opportunity for a well funded strongman, and the checks and balances that were intended to protect our democracy are now mere suggestions.

> legislative gridlock and dysfunction Isn't this a direct result of "no compromise" policies on one side of the aisle?

No, it's the lack of representation. We're an extreme outlier among OECD countries, worst representation in the free world. Even Communist China has better representation. The U.S. in the 1790s had representation in line with Nordic countries today.

The only change needed is repealing the Apportionment Act of 1929.

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Post by trilobyte »

jaybrendansmith wrote: post #11

As Americans that believe in the Republic, what exactly are we supposed to do about this? Should we continue to implore congress to take action against this lawless behavior?

Honestly, I donate enough money to politicians to make them stand up and take notice when I email or call them and share my thoughts, which leads me to the conclusion that people in the middle and lower class are going to need to find ways to pool money in such a way that they can change their party politics. It's not that all politicians are completely motivated by money, but IMO you unfortunately have to aim at the lowest common denominator.
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