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Post by Nition »

phtrivier wrote: post #169

Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

I reckon the ideal use case for chat LLMs at the moment is as a bridge for questions that are hard to search but easy to verify.

For example, you have a plant you can't identify. Hard to Google search with words. "Plant with small red berries and...". You could reverse image search your photo of it, probably won't help either. Show an LLM the photo (some accept images now). LLM tells you what it thinks. Now you Google search "Ribes rubrum" to verify it. Much easier.

You've got a complicated medical problem that's been going on for months. A google search of all the factors involved would be excessively long and throw up all sorts of random stuff. You describe the whole scenario to an LLM and it gives you four ideas. You can now search those specific conditions and see how well they actually match.

I've found there are actually a lot of questions that fit in that sort of NP complexity category.

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Post by gonzobonzo »

butifnot0701 wrote: post #191
lionkor wrote: post #144

I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

I feel like that's part of what Elon is flexing. Teslabot was late comer compared to competitors like BD. Elon is showing off he can marshal enough resources and talents to be on par (kinda) with state of the art products in crazy time. That's been most of his superpower so far - not breakthrough tech that didnt exist before. We've had rockets before.

> I feel like that's part of what Elon is flexing. Teslabot was late comer compared to competitors like BD.

When it come to bipedal robots, Tesla is far ahead of Boston Dynamics in terms of actually creating a product.

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Post by littlestymaar »

ilaksh wrote: post #19

If what they say is true, then you have to give them credit for catching up incredibly fast. And slightly pulling ahead. Not only with the models, but also products.

I don't think anyone who's paid attention to the LLM scene will give them any “credit for catching up fast” as it has been pretty obvious for the past two years that all it takes to reach the state of the art is a big enough GPU cluster.

Deepseek made the news because how they were able to do it with significantly less hardware than their American counterparts, but given that Musk has spent the last two years telling everyone how he was building the biggest AI cluster ever, it's no surprise that they manage to reproduce the kind of performances other players are showing.

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Post by msuvakov »

To put it this way: after seeing examples of how a LLM with similar capabilities to state-of-the-art ones can be built with 20 times less money, we now have proof that the same can be done with 20 times more money as well!

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Post by LightBug1 »

rendang wrote: post #10

Grok has gotten to the top of one benchmark: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1891706264800936307 It's been said before but it is great news for consumers that there's so much competition in the LLM space. If it's hard for any one player to get daylight between them & the 2nd best alternative, hopefully that means one monopolistic firm isn't going to be sucking up all the value created by these things

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Post by TFYS »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #209
butifnot0701 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like that's part of what Elon is flexing. Teslabot was late comer compared to competitors like BD. Elon is showing off he can marshal enough resources and talents to be on par (kinda) with state of the art products in crazy time. That's been most of his superpower so far - not breakthrough tech that didnt exist before. We've had rockets before.

I don't like Elon either, but not only has SpaceX created breakthrough tech that didn't exist by landing an orbital class rocket, as of today still nobody else has done it. Landing a rocket was considered impossible and unthinkable 10 years ago, and then SpaceX completely changed the game. And they're reinventing rocket tech again with Starship by catching it midair.

The number of people that have the capital and connections required to even attempt such things is very small, so it's not necessarily Musk's abilities that made those things happen, just the combination of having the power to allocate enough resources and an interest in such things.

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Post by littlestymaar »

weberer wrote: post #269
ensocode wrote: post #121

What are your first impressions using it? (Not available in Europe currently). Is it a game-changer?

>Not available in Europe currently I hate how its the same story for every new AI technology. If someone can tell me who to vote for or where to protest to change this awful EU law, that would be great.

It has nothing to do with the EU laws, or at least not in the sense they want you to think about it: no laws prevents AI players to release their AI models here, but they are all also big tech players who are affected by GDPR, DSA and DMA which harm their business by protecting the consumers.

That's why they use their AI products as a leverage to turn European people against the laws that protect them from big tech. It's just blackmail.

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Post by fragmede »

JimDabell wrote: post #217
danielbln wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember the NVIDIA Linux kernel binary blob driver discussions from the early-mid 2000s. Who knew we had an open source driver all along...

Something isn’t open-source because you get everything that went into making it. Something is open-source if you can change it (relatively) easily. The GPL and open-source definition both refer to “the preferred form for making modifications”. The preferred form for modification in the Nvidia driver’s case is the source code. The preferred form for modification in this case is the weights. Open-source as a concept do…

Preferred by whom? Sharing models isn't open source, and we're just going to have to keep having this argument. Letting us download the model is a very nice thing for Facebook to do, but you don't get to call it open source if you're not showing us the source! Explicitly, if we can't see the forced alignment, where the model gets its refusal to talk about Tiananmen Square or how to make meth or it The Information is a reputable news source, then it's not open. The preferred form of modification is to take the data, and train it. That some people have been able to take the model and tweak it, doesn't make it preferable.

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Post by fragmede »

beeflet wrote: post #128
palata wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's started with abusing the term "AI", I don't see a reason why they would not abuse "open source". I guess it's what happens to language when a concept becomes mainstream: people use it wrong, but if enough people do it, it becomes the new meaning? But I agree, it's a real shame.

I dislike when people like RMS get semantic and gatekeep words like "free software", but this is the end product of a world without gatekeepers. People just use words in a way that's convenient to them.

Or maybe some gatekeeping is actually good, and we just have to use more of our braincells and figure if a particular gatekeeper is good or bad. It's a good thing that being a pilot for an airline is gatekept to qualified pilots that know how to fly a plane. It's a bad thing that I need a hair cutting license to buy hair dye to dye my own hair at home.
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