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How Nissan and Honda's $60B merger talks collapsed

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Re: How Nissan and Honda's $60B merger talks collapsed

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Post by bobthepanda »

alecco wrote: post #208
bobthepanda wrote: post #96

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I think this really depends on how you define unfunded liabilities. China, for example, has mostly not established liabilities because the social systems for retiring are a joke. People instead save personally and shovel those savings into real estate, but the real estate market is collapsing/collapsed because it turns out all that retirement saving driving up the median-house to median-income ratio to 40+x was not s…

Good point.

I’d also add that China actually does have future pension liabilities. China’s past one child policy is causing the pyramid to quickly go from 4-2-1 to 1-2-4 in terms of ratio of working to dependents; and young people are already not participating in pensions because they think its highly likely the systems will go bust and they won’t see a cent of their contributions.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-07/why-milli...

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Post by JamesSwift »

VectorLock wrote: post #186
JamesSwift wrote: post #110

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Uhh, the Odyssey is still best of breed for minivans in the price segment.

Yet still bland and undifferentiated and a minivan.

I'd definitely disagree. Current Odysseys are absolutely a premium feel, especially in the higher trims. In fact, thats part of what sets them apart. The entire experience just feels so much nicer overall. The seats, the sound system, the performance, the thoughtful technology integration.. its a great car overall and is especially noticeable when compared apples-to-apples with other brands.

source: I own a 2017 odyssey, and friend to many other minivan owners

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Post by LunaSea »

ImJamal wrote: post #264
margalabargala wrote: post #167

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Both my grandfathers fought in Europe in WWII. When they were alive, if I had done what Elon did in front of either of them, that would have been problematic. I think that's a decent yardstick. The absolute best interpretation is that Elon is someone who does not care if he does things that look like Nazi salutes.

Tim Walz hit his chest and then throw up a Nazi salute during the campaign. Where was the outrage? Where was the 24/7 news coverage?

Well one of these two people spoke at the German far rights neo-nazi party (AFD) rally not long ago.

Re: How Nissan and Honda's $60B merger talks collapsed

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Post by asdff »

potato3732842 wrote: post #35
onlypassingthru wrote: post #31

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Irrelevant to whom? Toyota, Honda and Subaru all have lifelong customers and for good reason. The cars often last for 20+ years with minimal upkeep. The current crop of Chinese electric car makers are all trying to fake it until one of them makes it and the money spigot keeping them afloat will eventually get turned off at some point.[0] Good luck keeping that flashy EV running when the company goes bust. [0] https:/…

All cars last 20+yr if you give a crap unless they have some fundamental engineering or execution Achilles heel (ecoboost water pump, Toyota frame rust, Hyundai engine problems, etc) that will manifest as a comically not-economical repair when the vehicle is old enough in age to be of fairly low value. Premium cars that aren't so premium as to be disposable (i.e. not a luxury car you're gonna trade in every 3-5yr lik…

Easily the biggest killer for most people in the continental US is winter road salt. You go to California and a decent fraction of people people are still driving the same 80s and 90s corollas in whatever condition at this point. That car was totalled decades ago in the northeast, and if it still exist you are liable to fall through the floorpan.

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Post by tonyhart7 »

cptskippy wrote: post #261
pmg101 wrote: post #225

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I mean... A more accurate description might be, "They had already taken one step in the right direction, 15 years ago, all they had to do was make any further steps in this direction any time since then!"

I don't think people realize just how much thoughtful design went into the original Nissan Leaf and just how well designed it was. Sure, it's ugly as sin and a glorified golf cart with respect to it's range but it's also a rock solid EV and very forward thinking EV. In terms of safety, it came standard with backup cameras and low speed noise features that are now mandatory on all EVs in the US. In 2013 they introduce…

more like culture problem per se, this is what happen to (almost) all of CE automaker seriously, EV is more like electronic on wheels rather than "traditional cars"

I kind of see many people that already have work there that have decade experience don't or can't "changes"

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Post by rightbyte »

adolph wrote: post #262
rightbyte wrote: post #248

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At the time hydrogen was not nonsense. Good lithium batteries happened. Hydrogen is very impractical. Leaks easely and the pressure involved is scary. It is no surprise that good alternatives more or less scrapped the whole thing.

Hydrogen is also not particularly "green" without further spending for generation capacity. Currently, most hydrogen is produced from fossil fuels, specifically natural gas. Electricity—from the grid or from renewable sources such as wind, solar, geothermal, or biomass—is also currently used to produce hydrogen. In the longer term, solar energy and biomass can be used more directly to generate hydrogen. https://www.e…

Sure but the same is true for charging batteries.

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Post by ImJamal »

LunaSea wrote: post #284
ImJamal wrote: post #264

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Tim Walz hit his chest and then throw up a Nazi salute during the campaign. Where was the outrage? Where was the 24/7 news coverage?

Well one of these two people spoke at the German far rights neo-nazi party (AFD) rally not long ago.

If AfD is a neo-nazi party then why is their leader a lesbian married to a woman of a different race? Seems like these Nazis aren't being very Nazi like in their leaders.

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Post by [deleted] »

lmm wrote: post #159
rtpg wrote: post #157

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There are plenty of criciticisms about the means by which he was prosecuted but "others get a pass but he doesn't" is not a great way of thinking about this. If the government decides to get more serious about this stuff, there will be firsts! There will be people who "got away with it"! It's never applied perfectly evenly. You gotta start somewhere. Of course the way he was thrown around, when they could have impoun…

> If the government decides to get more serious about this stuff, there will be firsts! There will be people who "got away with it"! It's never applied perfectly evenly. You gotta start somewhere. Sure. But if that "somewhere" just happens to be the literal 1 foreigner among literally hundreds of CEOs doing the same thing, there will naturally be raised eyebrows.

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Post by LunaSea »

ImJamal wrote: post #288
LunaSea wrote: post #284

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Well one of these two people spoke at the German far rights neo-nazi party (AFD) rally not long ago.

If AfD is a neo-nazi party then why is their leader a lesbian married to a woman of a different race? Seems like these Nazis aren't being very Nazi like in their leaders.

Well Hitler wasn't a blue-eyed blond German either.
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