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> “Every dollar and gig of data that flows into Chinese AI are dollars and data that will ultimately be used against the United States,” Senator Hawley said in a statement. “America cannot afford to empower our greatest adversary at the expense of our own strength. Ensuring American economic superiority means cutting China off from American ingenuity and halting the subsidization of CCP innovation.” Oh goodness me!.…

This congressman is either just engaging in the typical hustler-level political grandstanding of many congressmen, or he's a pig-ignorant idiot who doesn't know how to connect data points and form reasoned concepts of reality from them.

Total U.S.-China trade is roughly 760 billion dollars and includes some of the most wealthy and best connected companies in the U.S. Dollars of wealth and investments created through trade with Chinese companies (many of which are connected right to the CCP) pervade various levels of American society and the finances of who knows how many high.level politicians. The exact same thing applies to Chinese society and politicians with money gained from Chinese trade with American companies. That's how large.scale trade just works between two societies, and it's usually a good thing because it's better to trade goods and services than it is to trade bullets and missiles..

For his incoherent idiocy to be a bit more coherent, he'd have to talk about cutting off business relationships that affect and involve the majority of his colleagues in government and a great number of other powerful people.. But why think of that when some silly little media-popular cheap shot against a specific AI company can be vomited out for the public and your constituents?

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What? Many people just don't think the First Amendment applies to foreign nations. (Why would it??) And that restrictions on corporate control/structure for the US-based parts are not speech issues (e.g. imagine if free speech was a defense against an anti-trust prosecution). The simplest case for banning TikTok is simple reciprocity. China is no longer a market that needs the level of protectionism they currently ha…

Let's remind ourselves of what the First Amendment says: > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The Constitution does not consider Freedom of Speech a positive right, one that can be g…

The First Amendment famously has limits, which have been tested and have held, repeatedly. These limits generally arise from conflict with other rights or societal good. On the latter point, obscenity is one of the most well-known exceptions. The government can and does make laws against it.

The idea that a foreign, adversarial government would have a Constitutional right to propagandize our citizenry at-scale is obviously not consistent with the societal good (or the "common defense", for that matter), so is outside of the First Amendment's scope/intent.

If you want to make an argument that it's not happening, that's one thing. But, your assertions about TikTok having some blanket "right" here are false.

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If you have ollama installed and 404GB free space: ollama pull deepseek-r1:671b

Genuinely curious - if one did not have any tooling at all (other than curl or wget or fetch, etc.) is there a one-liner to download only the deepseek model ? git clone --mirror ... ?

Ollama has underlying plain URLs but they are parts so you'd need something to combine them. But you can use curl.

Otherwise a docker one liner to run ollama should do it.

Docker is a "core util" right.

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In addition big AI are swinging their clubs with Trump so this is a good way to jail the competition.

You are both talking as if this could possibly pass, and it cannot.

We are replying to the "the alternate universe where this passed" comment.

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While he’s at it, he should also make cryptography and math illegal too.

No joke, the bill is so broad that is essentially would ban mathematics research if the math could contribute to AI development in any way whatsoever. So, essentially all math...

BREAKING: Chinese Remainder Theorem Will Now Be Called the American Remainder Theorem

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>The ranking member (senior Democrat) on the intelligence committee voted against the ban ( https://www.ctinsider.com/columnist/article/tiktok-ban-jim-h ...): But he voted yes on the subsequent vote? https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024145 Moreover your factoid is misleading because it omits the fact that the chair voted for the ban, along with most of the members. Of the 25 members on the committee, only 4 voted again…

He voted against the March bill that narrowly focuses on the TikTok issue, but voted for the April bill which also includes foreign aid for Ukraine and Israel. They are not the same bill. > The decision by House Republicans to include TikTok as part of a larger foreign aid package, a priority for President Joe Biden with broad congressional support for Ukraine and Israel, fast-tracked the ban after an earlier version…

Putting shit like that in an unrelated bill can be translated as a 'horseman bill' and would have been censored so fast in my country it isn't even funny. What does your supreme court do exactly?

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Not sure it’s even worth speculating on a bill that’s merely been proposed. This one sounds DOA. But yeah TikTok ban was a very bad precedent, mostly because it was based on speculative risks, not hard proof of existing behaviour (TikTok not engaging didn't help at all either). Regardless of the merits I too hope it doesn’t have a ripple effect. National security is such a huge brush you could paint anything you want…

The risk from TikTok is possibly not speculative at all. I think it’s quite likely the national security apparatus knows something and informed congressmen because they went from being opposed to it to being in favor of it in a short time.

> possibly

> not speculative

So it is speculative, right? Even your comment is just speculation.

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On the one hand Hawley proposes a lot of things that don't ever get close to becoming law. On the other hand, we did ban TikTok (which is currently unavailable on the app stores because of the ban). I can think of few ways to more effectively destroy any US advantage in AI compared with the sheer efficiency of making it illegal to learn from what competing countries have achieved. From the article, it sounds like the…

How is this confusing? China spies on you. If you use an app that's tied directly to headquarters, headquarters can read what you think.

Were you able to read the parent comment at all?

Are you confused by the questions/arguments in it?

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