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The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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post #73

Are such drastic action appropriate given the current state of the US? The US probably hasn't been this economically dominant since after WWII. Feels like Chesterton fences are getting torn up left and right by people too young and incurious to possibly understand why those fences might be there.

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Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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post #73

Are such drastic action appropriate given the current state of the US? The US probably hasn't been this economically dominant since after WWII. Feels like Chesterton fences are getting torn up left and right by people too young and incurious to possibly understand why those fences might be there.

> fences are getting torn up left and right by people too young and incurious to possibly understand why those fences might be there.

So you're saying they hired a bunch of undistinguished Berkeley drop-outs just because they're libertarians? A sort of affirmative action for libertarians?

It's always projection with these guys.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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post #108

Elon is also now claiming to have "deleted" 18F ( https://18f.gsa.gov/ ): https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1886498750052327520

Given his tech record, he probably dragged a file named 18F to the Recycle Bin. This is the same guy that nearly tanked PayPal because he was obsessed with rewriting their entire system for Windows.

I had a coworker who turned beet red when I put Musk and PayPal in the same sentence. You know that feeling when your parents didn’t yell and you wished they would? I was too afraid to ask for the full story.

His PR makes him sound like a founder but he was not.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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post #247

how is someone’s age relevant? Is a 55 y.o. Software engineer who spent 20 years in a bureaucratic wheel any better than a bright 20yo mind? They both suck in a different way! Writing an entire article with ageism as a center piece is truly pinnacle of American journalism

I find it hard to believe that any 19-22 year old would have the appropriate level of experience to handle this responsibility. Sure, a 55 year old also may not have the appropriate responsibility, but at least it's reasonable to expect that they could .

Pretty sure these whiz kids engineers are writing software to analyze things like where all the money goes.

Decisions will ultimately be made and implemented by the appropriate authorities, of course.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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disappointing to see so many “hacker” news comments complaining about lack of credentials or system-specific expertise. yes, existing government systems are insanely complex - that’s part of the problem! the essential complexity is not higher than that of a brain-computer interface, or an interplanetary rocket. we don’t even know what these kids’ mandate is (also disappointing). but if your general premise is “smart…

> the essential complexity is not higher than that of a brain-computer interface, or an interplanetary rocket.

Sorry, but that's such an absurd comment. These kids don't even know anything about rocket building, let alone they're able to build a rocket from first principles. Second, the US government is much more complex than a rocket; it cannot be understood by a single person. Third, you can waste rockets, but a whole nation depends on one goverment. You can't just experiment with it. Fourth, there are lives at stake. It's not just a payload, or one or two astronauts who know what they signed up for, that are at their mercy.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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post #108

Elon is also now claiming to have "deleted" 18F ( https://18f.gsa.gov/ ): https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1886498750052327520

He got rid of 18F, a group within the Govt to improve usage of tech (and hopefully therefore efficiency), because of a tweet.

A tweet about IRS Direct File, a group that replicates the basic automatic taxation program of other advanced economies?

Over a fear that the Government would take over deciding what taxes people pay, despite a fact that such a program doesn’t necessarily block you from manually filing your own taxes (don’t know if the American implementation has that, but the UK one certainly allows you to override PAYE).

Yes HN commenters, this is the genius behind Government reform.

EDIT: Jesus Christ someone is going to convince him FedNow is a conspiracy and kill another basic system other countries have easily managed.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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post #122

Posts here talk about the legality of this, that what they are doing is not allowed, or that they're doing something naively without understanding. But what is the goal? Maybe what goal to they think they're pursuing? This is hacker news, so I'm asking for an answer without political rhetoric.

I would guess that part of it is to tear down what’s there so they can rebuild in their own vision. I think this is a desire that any engineer can understand- and also understand that it often has to be suppressed because it’s a common blunder. How many engineers have walked into a legacy project and their first instinct is to rebuild? Of course this is sometimes warranted, but almost always costs way more than anyon…

I think the word you're looking for is "immaturity".

It is not exclusively found in young people, as one can plainly see with the plutocrats in charge today.

FWIW, even when it is justified in a software context, we understand that there will be a (usually large) business cost.

When implementing this in a political context, there's no way to skim over the fact that there will be a huge human cost. But here we are anyway.

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