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Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Post by extraduder_ire »

toolslive wrote: post #229
Y_Y wrote: post #196

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Joking aside, I have heard of people deliberately doing a sort of inverse version of this. For example, if you live in Barcelona then Ubuntu's installer will detect you as being in Madrid's timezones and wanted to use Spain Spanish locale. If you insist that you're in Andorra you get an equivalent timezone and the Catalan locale (which is the preference for a lot of people, despite the bizarre way of reporting time).

I do this all the time: - I want proper English, - and Proper SI units, - and Euro as currency. So I put myself in Dublin.

I've heard this also enables some of the EU-mandated features in newer windows versions. Like being able to uninstall edge.

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Post by esperent »

extraduder_ire wrote: post #279
esperent wrote: post #123

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Just wait because all official EU sites now use the Irish flag to represent English, and it's getting more common in other websites made in Europe. As an Irish person I can't help feeling a frisson of satisfaction. But as a developer, this is just asking for confusion, especially since the Irish flag is already confusing enough. I mean, we could have a beautiful white harp on a green background representing Irish cul…

The Ivory Coast flag is a different aspect ratio to Ireland's flag. Ours is longer. The colour-based representation on their flag is similar to ours too, but with the colours reversed.

> The Ivory Coast flag is a different aspect ratio to Ireland's flag. Ours is longer.

I did not know that. Always assumed there was a standard aspect ratio for flags.

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Post by esperent »

philwelch wrote: post #228
esperent wrote: post #177

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English is an official language of Ireland, and by far the most wildly spoken. Gaeilge is also an official language but However, this is another reason why flags aren't a good choice for languages. It works for some of the main languages - German, French, etc. where there's a clear one to one link between originating country's flag and language. It's less clear for English - the UK flag, the US flag, the Irish flag a…

If somebody said to me, “I speak American”, I would infer that they meant the American dialect of the English language. If they said “I speak Irish”, I would infer that they meant Irish Gaelic. Similarly, if I saw a Welsh flag on a language selection UI, I would assume that it represented the Welsh Brythonic language even though most Welsh people speak English. Unicode makes this hard (though it does provide the Wels…

> If they said “I speak Irish”, I would infer that they meant Irish Gaelic

But if someone said "I'm from Ireland", you should assume they speak English as their main language. Even if they say "I speak Irish", there's a high chance they're not fully fluent, it's an identity thing for many Irish people.

In any case, it's probably best not to read too much in to this. The whole point is that using flags to represent languages risks getting caught up in exactly this kind of minutiae.

The text EN is unique for English and removes all for it. Put a flag next to the text if you like.

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Post by hackerdues »

int_19h wrote: post #277
hackerdues wrote: post #264

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They are not physically in control of Taiwan, so no, they haven't "won the war" in that respect. Not that it matters, because legitimacy of holding territory is not based on winning wars.

> They are not physically in control of Taiwan, so no, they haven't "won the war" in that respect.

They won the civil war, just like the vietnamese won their war of independence against france. It's just that china, like vietnam, needs to win another war. The war against the US to fully liberate their nation like vietnam did.

> Not that it matters, because legitimacy of holding territory is not based on winning wars.

Sure it is. It's the wars we won against britain, spain, mexico, japan, etc that gained all our territory. You think spain gave up florida, mexico gave up texas and japan gave up the pacific islands because they were feeling generous? Winning wars is what ultimately decides who owns what. The past 500 years has been europeans winning wars and stealing land all over the world. Actually, all of human history is people taking territory by force. Actually, this also applies to lions, wolves and ants.

The reason china doesn't control taiwan is because they chickened out and decided not to fight the US for taiwan. The chinese should look to india for some inspiration. Know why goa is part of india again? India forcibly took it back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa

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Post by eviks »

agos wrote: post #238
eviks wrote: post #186

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Are there any good iconic systems you know that identify languages directly?

no, and they don't need to. a list is fine, you can include the name of the language (localized), a specifier if there are variants of the language, and even the language name and variant localized in itself. Sure, "Español (República Dominicana) - Spanish (Dominican Republic)" might be a bit long but it's still way easier fitting it into a picker than trying to come up with an icon for it.

No, it's not only not easy, it's impossible to fit into your tray icon

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Post by eviks »

wongarsu wrote: post #240
eviks wrote: post #191

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You're slightly confusing dialects with countries (there can be ones not tied to a single country), but more importantly, this places no hard limit on design, you can have icon variations for dialects as well. (and yes, language switching menus you can't understand are dumb, especially for more complicated cases where names don't even look similar, but unfortunately common)

As they say: a language is a dialect with an army and a navy. And even that criterium quickly breaks down at mild scrutiny. And not just because of landlocked countries. Linguists try to draw some lines in the sand, but in the end the reasons we call Swiss German a dialect and Luxemburgish a language are cultural and political.

So if your criterium breaks down, you would agree that you can't map every single language/dialect to a country in a neat fr-BE scheme?

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Post by owlninja »

andix wrote: post #262
owlninja wrote: post #241

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I thought they used the Geographic Names Information System (GNIS) from the USGS. If this buffoonery does pass, it will reflect in the government official data source - and thus on Google maps?

And nobody outside of the US cares about what's inside those official databases. If Trump changes the name of China to "Smelly Food Country" it might be required to change this in US Google Maps But if this propagates to Google Maps in other countries people will just laugh at them and might stop using it.

But they should see what their home country calls it? I am totally against this, but don't really think Google is bending the knee or hard-coding a name here.

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Post by lmm »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #254
makeitdouble wrote: post #211

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> Documenting reality The issue is reality not being settled or agreed upon. For disputed territories there is effectively two realities both officially backed by sovereign countries. You can come up with some arbitrary criteria to split the difference, but your reality would break when you effectively set foot in a spot that works under the competing assumption.

The issue is reality not being settled or agreed upon. For disputed territories there is effectively two realities both officially backed by sovereign countries. No, in a disputed territory there's one reality, and 1..n delusions.

Well, maybe that's what the victor will write in the future history books, but since today's mapmakers don't know who's going to win that's not really a helpful perspective.

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Post by mappu »

eviks wrote: post #286
wongarsu wrote: post #240

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As they say: a language is a dialect with an army and a navy. And even that criterium quickly breaks down at mild scrutiny. And not just because of landlocked countries. Linguists try to draw some lines in the sand, but in the end the reasons we call Swiss German a dialect and Luxemburgish a language are cultural and political.

So if your criterium breaks down, you would agree that you can't map every single language/dialect to a country in a neat fr-BE scheme?

The example given is de-CH and lb-LU - a counterexample for the neat scheme would require separate dialects of the same language within a single country e.g. 近畿方言.

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Post by notpushkin »

andix wrote: post #60
int_19h wrote: post #13

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Or just refuse to commit. E.g. Google Maps, to this day, will not show the country for any Crimean city when you click on it to bring up its info panel. If you do this with e.g. Kherson, you get "Kherson, Kherson Oblast, Ukraine". But if you do it with Sevastopol, you only get the city name, not the region & country. It also shows dotted borders between Crimea and both Russia and Ukraine.

Isn’t Google Maps blocked in Russia anyway? Crimea is a different story, as many countries recognize it to be in some kind of limbo and treat it as neither Russian nor Ukrainian. I think Yandex (Russian Google) removed borders completely from their maps. Also because it’s impossible to figure out where the Russian government would like them to be. Might change on a daily basis. Google maps added the „gulf of America“…

> Isn’t Google Maps blocked in Russia anyway?

As far as I know, no it’s not? (Haven’t been to Russia for about a year now, but I haven’t heard about any blocks from my friends.)

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