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Re: Operator research preview

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Post by sumedh »

dutchbookmaker wrote: post #252
windowlessmonad wrote: post #177

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Are our attention spans so shot that we consider booking a reservation at a restaurant or buying groceries "hugely boring"? And do we value convenience so much that we're willing to sacrifice a huge breadth of options for whatever sponsor du jour OpenAI wants to serve us just to save less than 10 minutes? And would this company spend billions of dollars for this infinitesimally small increase in convenience? No, of c…

I am almost 50 and I have never booked a reservation for a restaurant in my entire life. The Rome trip is even more absurd. Part of the fun of a trip is figuring out what you want to do. This seems like a product aimed at the delusional, self important, managerial class.

> I am almost 50 and I have never booked a reservation for a restaurant in my entire life.

Ok but that does not mean others share the same opinion. Try doing a walk in for a fancy restaurant on the weekend, see how that goes?

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Post by transcriptase »

thrance wrote: post #270
transcriptase wrote: post #250

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I can. But it doesn’t change the fact that nearly all the default subs are run by the same mods, who give blatant manipulation a pass as long as they agree with it politically.

I'm baffled by the fact this is the first case of "manipulation" you mention, when X is many orders of magnitude worse and more harmful to our democracies. But perhaps you don't care because you agree with its sieg-heiling owner?

Oh, you’re upset because you’re one of those “r/politics tells me what to think” NPCs. What’s it like being a breathing LLM trained on input data chosen by a Reddit moderator?

Re: Operator research preview

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Post by sumedh »

n_f wrote: post #253

The whole team worked really hard on this one, please try it out and share any feedback!

I will wait when its available for the plus users but if it becomes available in the API and the price is reasonable then it will definitely change website automation testing.

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Post by axus »

throwaway314155 wrote: post #266
gyomu wrote: post #255

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@dang can we have guidelines against posting AI generated content here? (who cares if the account is "human operated" or has a disclaimer). It's just lame and not what this forum is about.

It's absurd to me that simply because it's Karpathy's account, everyone immediately changes their tune about posting "slop" AI summaries; something which is normally downvoted into oblivion on this site. People go even further to downvote any criticism?? Pick a lane people. This will be business as usual in a week and Operator posts will go back to being thoroughly downvoted by then too.

When the first person does it, it's hacking/testing. If lots of people do it, it's cargo-culting and riding coattails.

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Post by thrance »

transcriptase wrote: post #282
thrance wrote: post #270

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I'm baffled by the fact this is the first case of "manipulation" you mention, when X is many orders of magnitude worse and more harmful to our democracies. But perhaps you don't care because you agree with its sieg-heiling owner?

Oh, you’re upset because you’re one of those “r/politics tells me what to think” NPCs. What’s it like being a breathing LLM trained on input data chosen by a Reddit moderator?

You're projecting, I don't have Reddit. A baseless ad hominem attack, how surprising for a Republican.

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Post by pacifi30 »

energy123 wrote: post #264
brap wrote: post #31

I don't know why, but the approach where "agents" accomplish things by using a mouse and keyboard and looking at pixels always seemed off to me. I understand that in theory it's more flexible, but I always imagined some sort of standard, where apps and services can expose a set of pre-approved actions on the user's behalf. And the user can add/revoke privileges from agents at any point. Kind of like OAuth scopes. Ima…

I am more interested in Gemini's "Deep Research" feature than Operators. As a ChatGPT subscriber I wish they'd build a similar product. Even when it comes to shopping, most of the time I spend is in researching alternatives according to my desired criteria. Operators doesn't help with that. o1 doesn't help because it's not connected to the internet. GPT-4o doesn't help because it struggles to iterate or perform > 1 s…

Disco it , currently Nordstrom catalog is LLM searchable

https://www.ddisco.com/

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Post by nickpsecurity »

mrdependable wrote: post #161

A lot of people here seem to think this is somehow for their benefit, or that OpenAI and friends are trying to make something useful for the average person. They aren't spending billions of dollars to give everyone a personal assistant. They are spending billions now to save even more in wages later, and we are paying for the privilege of training their AI to do it. By the time this thing is useful enough to actually…

Another angle is that they might use it to scrape more content for internal use. That’s on top of the training data that the user interactions generate. Which I was your point, I believe.

Re: Operator research preview

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Post by Nevermark »

plaguuuuuu wrote: post #274
Nevermark wrote: post #113

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This is classic disruption vulnerability creation in real time. AI’s are (just) starting to devalue the moat benefits of human-only interfaces. New entrants that preemptively give up on human-only “security” or moats, have a clear new opening at the low end. Especially with development costs dropping. (Specifics of product or service being favorable.) As for the problem of machine attacks on machine friendly API’s: S…

Internet subscription, anyone? Access over 500 websites for $39.99 a month.

I am thinking cents per some small usage unit, refundable for operating per sites terms.

That convention, implemented well to distribute & decentralize spike impacts, would force any direct overuse attack to take on significant financial risk. While essentially not costing anyone else.

It might still be damaging to availability, but as a service provider I would rather get paid handsomely for periods of being too overwhelmed to service my legitimate customers than not.

The main benefit is having machine interfaces, but those kinds of attacks being heavily disincentivized.

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