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Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by jay-barronville »

littlestymaar wrote: post #186
doix wrote: post #181

I see many comments about not using this because China/ByteDance stealing data, etc. I get it for for enterprise, you don't want your code leaking to the outside world, even if in my experience, the code is mostly garbage and not worth that much. But if it's for some personal project that you're putting on Github, does it matter? If my code is going on Github anyway, it's going to get slurped up regardless. I don't p…

I'm glad people care about their personal data, I just wished they cared as much when talking about ChatGPT, because in reality if you're not a Chinese dissident living abroad, then OpenAI is much more dangerous to you than the CCP.

> […] in reality if you're not a Chinese dissident living abroad, then OpenAI is much more dangerous to you than the CCP.

Correct.

I laugh a little every time I hear some folks immediately push the “Big Bad China is just trying to steal our data” narrative. My immediate reaction is, “Grab some tea and let’s sit down real quick, so I can tell you what some of our companies right here in America and our government do with our data.”

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Post by Yasuraka »

guappa wrote: post #157
softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

You can still do like that. The problem is that coding was a passion, but turned out to be very lucrative profession so loads of people who can't do it want to do it. This is why we have languages like Go, and AI tools: allow people who don't want to learn how to be developers, to get a job as developers.

And here I thought those are all using Python, JS and Ruby.

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Post by [deleted] »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #254
dartos wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t worry. There’s literally nothing an llm can write or tell you that you can’t write yourself or find in a manual somewhere.

> There’s literally nothing an llm can write or tell you that you can’t write yourself or find in a manual somewhere. That's like saying, there's literally nothing a service business can do for you that you can't do yourself. It's only true in a theoretical sense, if neither time nor resources are a constraint. In such hypothetical universe, you don't need a dentist - you only need to spend 5+ years in medical school…

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Post by barrenko »

softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

It will be free soon enough.

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Post by ioulaum »

nikkwong wrote: post #154
ioulaum wrote: post #133

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It was always BS though. AOC did an interview where she explains (what should be obvious to anyone), that US Gov had no proof whatsoever beyond trying to point at that Chinese law (much like Section 702 in the US), that makes TikTok seem risky. Except that TikTok isn't legally a Chinese company, and isn't really under their jurisdiction. Chinese companies like to be under the control of the Chinese government no more…

Absolutely and verifiably false, again! There are numerous data points that prove that the CCP exploits the TikTok algorithm to influence western views towards a pro-eastern bend. See my comment history for references. The close-doored national intelligence briefing that the senate got about the way the CCP manipulates the algorithm and on how TikTok is a national security threat resulted in a 100-0 vote in favor of…

They have all the US data on Oracle servers, with Oracle having the responsibility to monitor all access and make sure that no Chinese entity can get access.

All algorithms are monitored by Oracle such that only user actions can determine what they see.

So, unless you're claiming that "Oracle" is actively colluding with China, you're letting your worldview be defined by government propaganda.

The Pro-Palestine thing that TikTok refused to suppress at US Gov's command, is not "China promoting Eastern causes", it's "Americans" taking a position that the government wants suppressed.

Thus Biden being forced to cave and at least pretend that he cared about Palestinians towards the end of his Presidency... Which he stopped caring about once Democrats had lost and it no longer mattered what Democrat voters think for the time being.

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Post by ioulaum »

guappa wrote: post #161
nikkwong wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely and verifiably false, again! There are numerous data points that prove that the CCP exploits the TikTok algorithm to influence western views towards a pro-eastern bend. See my comment history for references. The close-doored national intelligence briefing that the senate got about the way the CCP manipulates the algorithm and on how TikTok is a national security threat resulted in a 100-0 vote in favor of…

And the USA wants only fb and google to be able to tell them what propaganda to push. It's all a propaganda war, it's not about propaganda-vs-real news.

There's also the Section 702 angle... US can get all US social media to spy on non-US citizens without anything in the way of legal pushback.

US citizens have rights. Non-US citizens, do not.

I think the problem with TikTok under their audited, non-interference under their Project Texas is... That they might not easily hand over data, or suppress views that US Gov isn't a fan of.

Which will change once TikTok is owned by a US company.

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Post by ioulaum »

guappa wrote: post #160
ioulaum wrote: post #128

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$20/mo isn't a lot... Especially if you make money with coding.

If you pay out of pocket it means it's not an approved tool by your company, which means you can be fired and sued for leaking their intellectual property. Also 20$ per month is way less than what it costs them to run it. Eventually they will need to charge way more to cover their costs, and the people who can't code without an AI assistant will need to pony up :)

The coding IDEs at $20/mo do not result in your IP being shared with the AI provider for training.

That only applies to regular ChatGPT use.

And developers actively using AI for coding can easily spend more than $20/mo for the API.

There are people spending $10-15/day in OpenAI API usage working through Cline.

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Post by [deleted] »

repeekad wrote: post #103
wordofx wrote: post #102

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Well the west is too busy trying to answer the question “what is a woman” and allowing mass migration into their countries. While Asia is like “there’s men and woman, and we make it hard for you to live in our country and never get citizenship while we out build you in every aspect”

what's funny is debating about "what is a woman" vs having to work 6 days a week 6 to 9pm, I know which country I'd rather live in

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Post by ioulaum »

przmk wrote: post #207
ioulaum wrote: post #128

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$20/mo isn't a lot... Especially if you make money with coding.

It is a lot outside of the US. Even with an ok developer salary in Belgium, I'd have to really have a use for something to pay $20/mo.

If it improves your performance by 1%, then for a salary of $2000/mo, that $20/mo is breakeven.

If it benefits you more than 1%, then you're in profit.

Of course, if you're in a job that doesn't actually care about performance, and performing won't lead to better salary at some point, then it may not matter.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by ioulaum »

nikkwong wrote: post #153
ioulaum wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that this sends back tons of data. Early TikTok was basically a standard Chinese startup in terms of how they collected data to optimize the app... It's not because they cared about what "you" are doing. The Chinese tech ecosystem is just more competitive than the US one. Most social media companies have been careless with data until they got public backlash though... TikTok's systems are probably more secure…

Absolutely and verifiably false. WeChat became so important to the CCPs surveillance interests that it was essentially nationalized; and other apps that grow to its scale basically suffer the same fate. The only reason that hasn’t happened overtly to TikTok is because it’s an international product, so instead the nationalization happens discretely.

It is verifiably not controlled by the CCP... Refer Project Texas... And all US data already being on Oracle's cloud so that all access can be monitored (same for auditing of all their algorithms for any kind of programmed bias).

WeChat is an app that works inside China, so obviously it's subject to Chinese laws.

All countries have some restrictions on what is and is not okay to have on online platforms. China just adds in "social disruption" alongside content that could promote violence (which would be blocked on Facebook, etc. also)

You need to not just drink in propaganda... When something just "can't be done" (because it is being monitored), then it just doesn't matter even if you have ill intent.

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