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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by zeckalpha »

threeseed wrote: post #168
typon wrote: post #162

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Historical revisionism is supposed to happen when enough time has passed. This ceasefire is directly due to Trump's pressure on Netanyahu. Trump's envoy went to Doha and made this happen: https://www.axios.com/2025/01/11/trumps-israel-gaza-deal-jan... This is the actual reality

> This is the actual reality No. That is your opinion. Biden and Middle East administrations had similar meetings for over a year now. Unless we have a quote directly from the Netanyahu administration it's all just conjecture.

But Reagan gets the credit for the hostage crisis...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by curt15 »

throw310822 wrote: post #208
threeseed wrote: post #156

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> Trump turned out to be the lesser of the evils This is based purely on his word which isn't worth all that much. Meanwhile Biden's actions has resulted in a ceasefire.

Biden had 400 days to take those actions- coincidentally, he took them at the moment he has basically no power any more? Which is not to say I trust Trump. Afaik he's a fanatic Israel supporter. We'll have to wait and see what happens to pass any judgement on this.

A different spin:

Even after losing an election, the Biden admin worked until the last minute instead of inciting a riot and rage-quitting a war (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/10...).

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by bbqfog »

dmix wrote: post #178
Workaccount2 wrote: post #39

So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

Of any of Israel's wars in recent history none has decimated their regional enemies as much as this. Every way you cut it they are in a much more secure position militarily. Iran (aka Lebanon/Syria) losing so badly is more important than Hamas surviving because that was the cludgle that threatened them from punishing Gaza too harshly (for ex: America pushed Israel very hard not to provoke Lebanon after Oct 7 and we s…

Israel is weaker politically and internationally than it has ever been, dramatically so. It can only have military superiority as long as western nations are supplying it with weapons and political cover.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by shmerl »

sudosysgen wrote: post #253
shmerl wrote: post #239

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They aren't cheap, at that scale they required huge expenses. And the more they wanted to expand, they more expenses it meant. They overstretched in hopes of that paying off, and it all went crashing down. The only upside for them now is that those expenses suddenly became unnecessary, but it's not going to stop them from trying to do it all over again.

They really don't. It's estimated Hezbollah cost around a billion dollars a year, probably less now due to the massive PPP multiplier increase. The Iranian proxies are not actually fully on Iran's teat, they have their own revenue stream and direct Iranian funding is now only a small part of it.

More like Iran pays them and tries to milk their criminal profits back to some degree. But they spend more than they make, for them it's about expansionism, not about profits.

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Post by golergka »

x3ro wrote: post #145
golergka wrote: post #56

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Look, you may fool peoe with your “all Palestinians are terrorists” rhetoric in zionist circles, but I would hope that most other people would be able to see through the propaganda. Israel has imprisoned people in “administrative detention” with no legal recourse for decades, for all kinds of bullshit reasons. If my home was being taken by settlers, which happens in the West Bank on the daily, I would do more than ju…

So you're saying that palestinians are not terrorists, but if you were palestinian, you would become one. That's certainly a way to make a point, I guess.

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Post by bbqfog »

Sabinus wrote: post #270
Qem wrote: post #153

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>colonial apartheid character How does this square with the Palestinians inside Israel with citizenship having the same rights as Jewish Israeli ones? Execution issues and favoritism of the ethnostate majority aside.

They don't have the same rights. Can their relatives gain citizenship? No, that's reserved for Jewish Israelis. There are many such laws.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by nick__m »

vFunct wrote: post #112
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by bbqfog »

Sabinus wrote: post #274
zazazache wrote: post #49

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What is different from Hamas right to exist compared to the IDF or Likud? Hamas certainly has less blood on their hands!

>IDF or Likud The IDF and Likud does not have a policy of attacking civilians to achieve political or war goals. They likely have some deranged and radicalized commanders who do this anyway, but it's not the organizational policy.

The IDF and Likud literally just killed orders of magnitude more civilians than Hamas in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by curt15 »

typon wrote: post #162
threeseed wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trump turned out to be the lesser of the evils This is based purely on his word which isn't worth all that much. Meanwhile Biden's actions has resulted in a ceasefire.

Historical revisionism is supposed to happen when enough time has passed. This ceasefire is directly due to Trump's pressure on Netanyahu. Trump's envoy went to Doha and made this happen: https://www.axios.com/2025/01/11/trumps-israel-gaza-deal-jan... This is the actual reality

The US has only one president at a time. Until Jan 20 Trump is a citzen and subject to the Logan act.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by x3ro »

golergka wrote: post #285
x3ro wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, you may fool peoe with your “all Palestinians are terrorists” rhetoric in zionist circles, but I would hope that most other people would be able to see through the propaganda. Israel has imprisoned people in “administrative detention” with no legal recourse for decades, for all kinds of bullshit reasons. If my home was being taken by settlers, which happens in the West Bank on the daily, I would do more than ju…

So you're saying that palestinians are not terrorists, but if you were palestinian, you would become one. That's certainly a way to make a point, I guess.

So your argument is that, in order to not be a terrorist I would have to allow Israeli settlers to steal the homes of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank without fighting back. Yes, if you apply that definition, I would, in fact, be a terrorist.
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