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Meta announces 5% cuts in preparation for 'intense year'

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Re: Meta announces 5% cuts in preparation for 'intense year'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know people love to describe future events in terms of past events but am afraid America is heading in a direction entirely orthogonal to its history.

Agreed, if you could show Americans from the 1950s what’s going on today with MAGA etc, I imagine most of it would consider it very alien.

Senator McCarthy/Roy Cohn and the John Birch Society might like a word. Just replace commie with liberal/progressive/marxist/socialist.

Roy Cohn was Don's business mentor.

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So in the first two weeks of the year Zuck has announced: - Replacing their global policy chief with the company's highest ranking Republican. - Appointing Dana White to the company's board. - Changing content policies to be aligned with the incoming administration. - Elimination of DEI programs in hiring. - Removing tampons from men's restrooms. - Defending all this in a 3 hour Joe Rogan interview. Ranting about the…

I know Zuck wasn't super popular on HN, but until these recent events, I saw him as someone generally reasonable and pragmatic. I can understand that he had to compromise with Trump in order to protect his wealth and company. But it's clearly more than that. I wonder, does he even have values on his owns? will he reinstate the tampons if democrats win in 4 years? My guess is that he's slowing been adhering to the Tru…

I mean, what do you expect? The dude asked Xi Jinping to name his unborn kid https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-...

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> “I’ve decided to raise the bar on performance management and move out low-performers faster,” Zuckerberg said in the memo Doesn't this beg the question of why the bar wasn't higher the whole time?

I'm not trying to apologize for Meta here, but sometimes companies make bad hiring decisions, or good workers get lazy/apathetic.

I can imagine also that in some situations where there's a large volume of work to be done and you don't need a high performer to get some of it done, you'd rather have the low performer than nobody in that position so you can make progress.

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When I was an engineering manager there, engineering leadership described performance reviews as, in a large well run engineering organization, you'll probably be firing 5-10% of your employees every year for low performance. (Well, "non regrettable attrition", which includes people who quit when they get pipped.) Lower than 5% at scale would be a red flag, not necessarily wrong, you don't want to "stack rank" with a…

Why? Why set an arbitrary number of people who need to be fired as opposed to grading people to a standard? Is your hiring process so flawed that you just accept that you screwed up hiring 5 percent of your people? This smells like the Welchian nonsense that drove GE into the ground.

I think grading people to a standard is very difficult.

At the last place I worked I was managing people and we were given a set of "standards" to rate employees on, used to determine raises, promotions, and so on. I tried my best fairly evaluate my reports, but obviously the standards are inherently imprecise and so the evaluations are mostly qualitative. I found that other managers, wanting to do well by their reports, more leniently interpreted the standards and their reports were promoted more and treated better than my own.

So, wanting to do well by my reports, I re-calibrated my own evaluations to be more lenient. The other managers responded in kind. This arms race continued until upper management found it to have essentially broken the whole system. So then we were asked to rank the performance of reports on our team. I liked everyone on my team and wanted the best for all of them, but also had no difficulty putting them in order from most productive to least productive, with maybe the occasional tie here or there.

Anyway, the whole experience kind of highlighted to me some of the issues with "objective" standards and some of the benefits of relative standards.

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It seems Zuck is turning into Elon. What's next? closing the European offices? forcing people to return to the office? relocating HQ to Texas?

Everyone who is smart see's which way the winds are blowing and it isn't in the direction of "more liberal". The US is looking at a cultural reset back into the mid to mid-late 20th century.

> Everyone who is smart see's which way the winds are blowing and it isn't in the direction of "more liberal".

Liberals are most fired up when conservatives like Trump are in office. Where I am, I expect to see more local elections fall to far lefties, I expect more BLM-like protests (which really could only have occurred under Trump), more activism and not less. It is a bit sad because I thought we were making some progress like electing moderates (who I really prefer and think are better for the community) rather than far lefties (who really can only get elected when someone like Trump is in charge).

> The US is looking at a cultural reset back into the mid to mid-late 20th century.

No, things are way too conservative now for that. We haven't had a politician as liberal as Ronald Reagan since Bill Clinton, America definitely lurched right since after the 1990s.

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5% is nothing. Any FANG could lose 30% at least and all metrics would only improve. People working there know this. There's an unbelievable amount of fat in these companies. The main issue is that often during these cuts it's not the fat but the "muscle" that gets cut. The "fat" is good at sticking around.

I worked for one of the FAANGS. My experience (or I might say impression) is that any project could still be on "Keeping the Lights On" mode with a fraction of the engineers there, to an acceptable level. Over time some cracks might show. Bugs that take longer to fix, issues that take longer to figure out, delayed releases, etc. New features being implemented would be severely impacted, especially if those need integ…

There's a flaw in your reasoning: you did not consider that a lot of the projects at FANGS are completely unnecessary and exist only because these companies massively over-hire. Ideal working environment is when there are a lot of worthwhile projects and not enough people. That's when you get a choice of what to work on, that's when the company really values the employees, etc. That's how Google was 15+ years ago. That is absolutely not how it is now, at any of these companies. There are way too many people and not enough work. The less ambitious employees deal with this by hiding and doing next to nothing. The more ambitious ones fight each other for scraps of meaningful work that are not yet being done by someone they can't fight. It's not a dignified place to be either way.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this quite paradoxical that those kind of companies have hard interviews where you have to almost prove that P=NP in front of 5 people that judges everything you do, yet they fire engineer because "ratio"? Could this lead to a manager that tries to have the best team for himself will always include average employees that they can easily fire?

> Isn't this quite paradoxical that those kind of companies have hard interviews where you have to almost prove that P=NP in front of 5 people that judges everything you do Interview process at Meta isn't that hard. Mostly medium leetcode questions (in front of single interviewer), not particularly tricky. With enough preparation, it's doable by any reasonably good undergrad. Google was slightly harder though. Simila…

It is harder now. They are steering away from 2 LC med each round

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I really don't see Meta's social media products being able to compete with new challengers without lobbying to have them banned, even less so if they keep driving away talent. The migration of US TikTok users to Xiaohongshu this week, to the point where it is #1 on the US app store while still having half of its UI in Mandarin has been particularly eye opening.

I don't think this is driving away talent, tbh. They have scooped up tons of experienced big tech devs during the layoffs of the past year, and now they can replace expensive, seasoned devs with the fresh blood

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This definitely cuts costs, but I’m still unclear what Meta’s long term business plan is. They’re giving away Llama to get open source contributions to help them… do what?

Giving away llama neutralizes upstarts by taking away a lot of customers who are willing to save money with a cheaper, less useful AI.

It also democratizes making AI content to get eyeballs to sell ads.

And lastly Llama breakthroughs help ads ML

Re: Meta announces 5% cuts in preparation for 'intense year'

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It seems Zuck is turning into Elon. What's next? closing the European offices? forcing people to return to the office? relocating HQ to Texas?

Everyone who is smart see's which way the winds are blowing and it isn't in the direction of "more liberal". The US is looking at a cultural reset back into the mid to mid-late 20th century.

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