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Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by mainframed »

poncho_romero wrote: post #252
mainframed wrote: post #237

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Remigration [...] is a [...] political concept referring to the forced or promoted return of non-ethnically European immigrants, often including their descendants who were born in Europe, back to their place of racial origin, typically with no regard for their citizenship [^1] Sounds pretty racist to me. Maybe you can be clearer on what you mean by non-racist remigration? The far-right groups, which are, at least in…

People want temporary foreign workers--who immigrated here in unprecedented numbers in recent years--to leave the country, not anyone who has darker skin. No no brought up remigration.

> No no brought up remigration.

Not sure how "No no" is, if it is a language barrier or if you meant to write "No one". But the parent comment to mine brought it up.

> People want temporary foreign workers--who immigrated here in unprecedented numbers in recent years--to leave the country, not anyone who has darker skin.

I'm not very familiar with Canadian immigration. But if they are temporary foreign workers, they by definition shouldn't have a citizenship and instead just a (temporary) work visa. Also, I wouldn't call that immigration, hence it also isn't remigration. The challenge should just be, to no longer extend the visas and not fuck up the economy, right?

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by influx »

defrost wrote: post #271
xen2xen1 wrote: post #243

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I've had the same complaint about DEI stuff in the US. Diversity is wonderful, but you also need people to integrate. The US used to be called the great melting pot, now we don't expect people to melt. No wonder we have so many problems. People used to be expected to integrate, that don't now, people should rightly be pissed.

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I suspect they would have preferred to prevent immigration entirely, though I cannot speak on their behalf.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by pseudolus »

Another potential union that gets the occasional mention is CANZUK - a union of Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK. [0] Practically, and legally, they all share the same head of state and similar cultures (although culturally Quebec is the outlier) so perhaps it would be an easier fit.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANZUK

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Post by duskwuff »

paxys wrote: post #156
darth_avocado wrote: post #72

Canada needs people? I thought the recent controversy is all about Canada having too many people and the pro immigration government also taking a more tempered immigration stance?

Canada has a population of 40 million in a land area larger than the USA. That's hardly "too many people". Too many people in a handful of dense urban centers maybe, but overall the country is basically empty.

> overall the country is basically empty.

Because much of the landmass is uninhabitable. For instance, Nunavut is about 20% larger than Alaska, yet has less than one tenth its population - because most of the province is tundra. Even building a road through it is iffy - a city? Forget it.

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Post by titanomachy »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #269
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #259

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We don't really let "poor" immigrants into Canada. The system here attempts to cherry-pick in people based on a whole points system, with "I have money to buy a house" and "I have a $$ profession" being being points contributors. We actually have the opposite problem, to some degree. Acquiring more skilled talent from abroad has depressed skilled labour compensation here. And acquiring people from abroad with $$ to i…

Curious how others on this thread experience this. It’s different from anti immigration sentiment in EU & USA then?

I actually think the comment you're replying to is somewhat mistaken. It's true that the majority of Canadian immigrants do have to compete on education, job prospects, language skills, etc.; but there's a sizable chunk who are admitted for humanitarian or family reunification reasons and are not held to that standard. There are also a lot of people on temporary work and student visas. I think these groups are the source of a lot of the animosity.

Here's an official government source which says that ~40% of immigrants in 2023 are not in the "middle-income range or above", i.e. they are low-income. [1] The same source says that 75k out of the 450k admitted were refugees.

[1] https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/co...

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Post by amatecha »

galactus wrote: post #266
amatecha wrote: post #246

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Speaking as a Vancouverite: nope. I'm more vocal than ever about calling out any shred of prejudice or hate from anyone around me -- not that I have to do so very often at all. Once or twice a year at most, I'd say. If you are in Canada and you have a problem with immigration, uhhh.. sorry, but you might want to figure out how to accept it. "According to the 2021 Canadian census, immigrants in Canada number 8.3 milli…

As an immigrant in Canada, I have observed a relentless increase in anti-immigration discourse. While there are valid critiques of current immigration policies, the conversation too often carries a racist undertone.

Yeah, there are surely aspects of the immigration program(s) to criticize, but the racism aspect has been either totally unchanged or decreased over time, from my observation. Though, maybe that's unsurprising considering: "Vancouver is one of the most ethnically and linguistically diverse cities in Canada: 49.3 percent of its residents are not native English speakers, 47.8 percent are native speakers of neither English nor French, and 54.5 percent of residents belong to visible minority groups." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

BJones12 wrote: post #8

> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

But it was the opposite up until really recently (basically up until the economic downturn caused by COVID). Canada was an outlier country with higher levels of immigration than most and probably the most tolerant people of immigrants.

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Post by zapperdulchen »

_7acn wrote: post #88
gmueckl wrote: post #68

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Factually, the claim of complete loss of sovereignty is just dead wrong. This list details the division of responsibilities between the EU and member states: https://commission.europa.eu/about/role/law/areas-eu-action_... This shows how narrow the responsibilities of the EU actually are.

Instead of reading the documentation, let's answer three questions: 1. Can your country introduce any law without asking the EU for approval? 2. Can the EU mandate your country to implement a specific law? 3. Do you still believe your country is sovereign?

Ad 3. If you believe in the European idea, it is not about my country being sovereign but the European people. There's tension in this for sure. Do the Catalans feel sovereign? The Scots? The Californians?

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Post by amatecha »

jimbob45 wrote: post #27
youngNed wrote: post #16

Tired: Canada should join the eu Wired: greenland should pacman defence[1] the USA [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-Man_defense

Expired: Northern California should become its own state I miss the wired/tired/expired lists greatly. Wired from 2000-2010 was a high-quality publication.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_movement

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Post by pojzon »

highcountess wrote: post #262
JodieBenitez wrote: post #82

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For a moment I thought that was satire. Canada has its share of "multicultural" problems. And that's on top of french speaking people vs. english speaking people.

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War is good for business. There is not many places in middle east when you can wage war with profit anymore.

What are the other places where we could wage wars ? Places with very high standard of living, something like civil-wars?

Something something elite big (rhyme to „dose”) doing business?

At this point you have to be very ignorant to not see that or very stupid.

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