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Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by scarface_74 »

spookie wrote: post #275
scarface_74 wrote: post #160

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One because it’s the law and two because the disabled can’t just make a choice and install Chrome. However, while the site creator does have to meet the disabled halfway, the disabled person is responsible for having whatever type of equipment they need to make it work - ie screenreaders

If your website is full of divs generated by JS that are full of aria tags that make no sense, those tools don't have a chance. Most websites act this way as well. Even Facebook used to lock people out of their messages if you couldn't use a mouse, at least in the last time I checked (infinite feed + no way to skip feed via tab -> can't reach right panel). Just do your job right. Not saying you should test some uniqu…

If you’re selling a SaaS app, you care more about the customer than you do about the user. The customer is the IT department.

For the longest, Amazon Connect’s - AWS hosted call center software - call flow builder only worked with Chrome.

Even for B2C users, using Chrome is not a deal breaker. If they are okay with using shitty Electron apps, they will be okay with using Chrome for Mac.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by theamk »

pixelesque wrote: post #210
theamk wrote: post #196

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legacy Cloudflare captchas? I thought they eliminated them back in 2023? Their announcement is pretty clear on them: "Cloudflare will never issue another visual puzzle to anyone, for any reason." https://blog.cloudflare.com/turnstile-ga/ Are you sure it's not fake? For example archive.is sometimes sends me orange-colored CAPTCHAs (with "select all the boxes" style) that are never accepted; but if one looks closer at…

I thought they had as well, which was why I was surprised to see them. I can't remember the site I saw them on, so I don't know for certain, but the site was definitely protected by Cloudflare, and I'm not really sure what you mean by "fake" - they were definitely CAPTCHAs with image tiles, but I guess I don't know for certain they were coming from Cloudflare servers.

How did you know they were Cloudflare and not some other service? Was there a "cloudflare" word or their logo?

HCaptcha is still a thing, it has "find all dogs": https://developers.nopecha.com/recognition/hcaptcha/

I get flagged by Google's reCaptcha all the time, it's super annoying: https://developers.nopecha.com/recognition/recaptcha/

Archive.is made their own check page (probably based on HCaptcha), which uses same color scheme as cloudflare and same general design.. except if you look closely, you'll notice there is no word "cloudflare" anywhere on page, it's a homegrown solution: https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/18c3ea7/...

For some weird reason, people like to attribute every captcha to cloudflare, even if they no longer offer this service...

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by PaulHoule »

sbierwagen wrote: post #208
PaulHoule wrote: post #178

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(1) I was working for a small town web design shop in a town dominated by two higher ed institutions circa 2005 where I was finishing up a system which handled applications for an internship program run by the NSF. (e.g. complex forms, scanners to stop people from uploading CVs in Word that are full of malware, etc.) I was talking w/ the principal about how bad the usability was of applications in higher ed and that…

Polling for time sensitive things sucks. But for RSS, why not just poll once a day? Even if you're polling once an hour, a 304 response is, what, a few hundred bytes? I just checked my own server logs, and HTTP 200 responses were 12.7% of the total requests against my rss.xml. Which is suboptimal I guess (I haven't made a single post this year) but isn't outrageously terrible.

Maybe it's lame but I sure wish my agent could know the exact second that a new post gets posted to

https://www.righto.com/

and automatically posts it to HN. Sometimes having an average score/post doesn't seem enough to me and I think of adding a population of high scoring posts. Like that blog. Or those articles that have been posted 20 times before and gotten between 200-1200 points each time and will probably do so if you post them again.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by jdironman »

modzu wrote: post #186
solardev wrote: post #2

You're collateral damage in the web's war against bots :( Unfortunately, I think the Cloudflare challenges are designed to filter out users similar to your profile... once you stray far enough from the norm, it just looks like a bot / suspicious traffic to them. Statistically there's not enough users like you (privacy-conscious Linux users on nonstandard browsers) for them to really care enough to do anything about i…

it is discrimination

Only if enough are discriminated against that it affects the bottom line.

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Post by endofreach »

johnklos wrote: post #250
salzig wrote: post #130

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Thanks for that note. I receive „spam“ by a US based Car Rentel/Leasing Company, cause they prevent me from unsubscribing because i am in European IP-Range (geo-blocking). Especially „nice“ cause they send me contract specific details of one of their customers, who misspelled his email address.

Is this Hertz? Somehow Hertz in Mexico decided to add my email address to their mailing list, and I tried to complain to every level of Hertz to get them to stop. Their hosters didn't care, their upstream didn't care. I decided to download larger files from their web site a few tens of millions of times, which I think cost them a few hundred dollars. Unethical? Perhaps, but I'm not the kind of person who just accepts…

When you say "it worked" referring to you downloading big files to generate cost for Hertz, it mean you told them you were doing this and would stop if they remove you from the mailing list?

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Post by dang »

ghjfrdghibt wrote: post #280
gruez wrote: post #270

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You broke the site guidelines repeatedly and badly in this thread, crossing into swipes and personal attacks. We have to ban accounts that post like this. Fortunately I don't see other cases of this in a quick runthrough of the account's posting history, so this should be easy to fix. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by dang »

gruez wrote: post #270
ghjfrdghibt wrote: post #267

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You also broke the site guidelines in this thread. Please don't do this, regardless of how provocative other comments are or you feel they are. It just feeds a downward spiral.

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Post by jorisboris »

luckylion wrote: post #243
montecarl wrote: post #197

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I'm in a similar boat. A UK bank thinks I'm one of their customers (someone with a similar name). The reply address is no-reply@ and I'm not about to call a foreign bank.

I had the same happen with a AU insurance company that also made it hard to reach them. I sent an email to their regulator that this company keeps sending me confidential information about one of their clients. It took one day until I received an email from the company informing me that they've corrected the mistake and I shall no longer receive any emails, and it worked, I haven't received a single one since.

Maybe I’m lazy but why do above four posters do so much effort?

I just mark as spam and or block the sender

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by 1oooqooq »

you're not welcome. is their message.

not a single mention of advertising on all these comments.

those captcha are not against bots. bots are only one item in the broader category they block. you, an unmonetizable user, is another.

cloudflare et all have the "marketplace conundrum". they need to provide value to both sides, and for the site they do this by blocking hard to monetize traffic. that means traffic that won't generate high yield on ad networks those sites care about.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by gradschool »

montecarl wrote: post #197
salzig wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for that note. I receive „spam“ by a US based Car Rentel/Leasing Company, cause they prevent me from unsubscribing because i am in European IP-Range (geo-blocking). Especially „nice“ cause they send me contract specific details of one of their customers, who misspelled his email address.

I'm in a similar boat. A UK bank thinks I'm one of their customers (someone with a similar name). The reply address is no-reply@ and I'm not about to call a foreign bank.

Getting a U.K. bank account without having a U.K. mailing address isn't the easiest thing in the world to do. Maybe someone would be interested in acquiring it from you.
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