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US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by bbqfog »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #280
bbqfog wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I refuse to use Israeli tech in my stack if at all possible. I don't see how someone could use software like Snyk and not put themselves at risk (founders are ex-IDF Unit 8200). Especially in the area of security, it seems like using Israeli tech is inviting the wolf straight into the hen house. No thanks.

I didn't know this about Snyk. Taking them out of my tools and unregistering myself immediately. Thanks!

You're welcome. One of the founders has since started a new AI venture called Tessl:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-tessl-worth-reporte...

The VC firm Boldstart has deep ties to the Israel intelligence community, so you pretty much want to avoid any of their investments.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

dmantis wrote: post #13

There should be no difference with usual botnet owner/ransomware gangs and such companies. Management should go to prison for good 20-30 years for that and being extradited worldwide. Considering that ransomware gangs are probably less harmful to the society than guys who hack journalists and politicians, putting their lifes at literal risks, not just their pockets. There should be no "legal" hacking of someone's dev…

L O L. No Israelis are ever extradited to the US for anything even though the US essentially financially bankrolls that entire country. It's basically a place we allow to go gloves off to militarily threaten our enemies, so we can sit back and maintain the "rights-based world order" without catching flak for our own deeds.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

o999 wrote: post #37
dmantis wrote: post #13

There should be no difference with usual botnet owner/ransomware gangs and such companies. Management should go to prison for good 20-30 years for that and being extradited worldwide. Considering that ransomware gangs are probably less harmful to the society than guys who hack journalists and politicians, putting their lifes at literal risks, not just their pockets. There should be no "legal" hacking of someone's dev…

Imagine if they chase NSO as hard as they chased Wikileaks

NSO helped Saudi kill a journalist for an American company and the father of American citizens.

And we're still huggy buddies with Saudi's Crown Prince and Netanyahu. Citizens lives only matter so much to our corrupt rulers

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

tptacek wrote: post #130
ThinkBeat wrote: post #123

It is hard to believe that NSO group is allowed to operate. They sell technology to horrible places, they cause death torture, and a host of less horrible things. Yet they are protected by the US and Israel, which I believe is the case that they have backdoors into all of it, and getting the targets to actually install this malware on their own saves a lot time. All good, except for the actual real world victims.

How do you "not" allow them to operate? People write things like this that seem premised on the idea that Bahrain wouldn't have implant technology if you shuttered NSO, but the only thing that would actually change is who the invoice got sent to. These companies have an unbeatable value proposition, lots of competition, and the lowest capital investment requirements of any intelligence product. I really feel like peo…

> premised on the idea that Bahrain wouldn't have implant technology if you shuttered NSO, but the only thing that would actually change is who the invoice got sent to

So what? Does this mean we should sell our arms to any horrible enemies of our state because if we don't, China will?

Many many of these regimes target Americans. Kashoggi had American citizen kids. Why do we allow our own citizens to get harmed because we have to love Israel and NSO so much? Who gets paid to look the other way?

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

kindeyooweee wrote: post #232
ThinkBeat wrote: post #123

It is hard to believe that NSO group is allowed to operate. They sell technology to horrible places, they cause death torture, and a host of less horrible things. Yet they are protected by the US and Israel, which I believe is the case that they have backdoors into all of it, and getting the targets to actually install this malware on their own saves a lot time. All good, except for the actual real world victims.

everybody tortures kills its all the same like Mary Kate the smart ones have figured out how to do it without attracting attention ever heard of fingers in fedex boxes being sent to mothers in the states? does that make fedex liable? probably not NSO is just the weak kid thats been caught and is the punching bag

> ever heard of fingers in fedex boxes being sent to mothers in the states? does that make fedex liable?

FedEx operates a service known to be used by criminals but also of so much utility to the average citizen that the government has an entire service to provide the same thing.

The government doesn't provide spyware to anyone commercially and neither should we tolerate companies that do.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by aguaviva »

fastball wrote: post #273
aguaviva wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You were presenting an either-or argument, pretty much along those lines. A basically very specious argument, it was. I was paraphrasing you, but not unfairly in that sense. The burden of proof is on those claiming genocide, not on me. The burden of proof is on the occupying forces, to show that they are not causing undue harm to the population affected. We could adjudicate this further, but as said - you've simply w…

Sorry I wore you out, glad you were able to find the strength the post three comments afterwards.

Life is short. Just doing what I can.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by dghlsakjg »

saagarjha wrote: post #270
dghlsakjg wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether I know the password, or I know how to access the password via a password manager, I am still the weak link. The point is that a password manager is an additional weak link in the chain.

Well, hacking the password manager doesn’t involve you meeting a $5 wrench.

Kinda sounds like I prefer to be compromised via password manager…

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by aguaviva »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #282
dmantis wrote: post #13

There should be no difference with usual botnet owner/ransomware gangs and such companies. Management should go to prison for good 20-30 years for that and being extradited worldwide. Considering that ransomware gangs are probably less harmful to the society than guys who hack journalists and politicians, putting their lifes at literal risks, not just their pockets. There should be no "legal" hacking of someone's dev…

L O L. No Israelis are ever extradited to the US for anything even though the US essentially financially bankrolls that entire country. It's basically a place we allow to go gloves off to militarily threaten our enemies, so we can sit back and maintain the "rights-based world order" without catching flak for our own deeds.

Friday, October 20, 2017:

   WASHINGTON - Stanislav Nazarov, 46, a dual citizen of Israel and Russia, has been extradited from Israel to face charges in an indictment accusing him of taking part in an international money laundering scheme.
Israel is quite financially independent these days, and has been so for decades. The US does not simply "bankroll the entire country" by any stretch.

But hey, it's a free planet, and you can believe whatever you want to belive. I certainly wouldn't want to get between you and one of your pet narratives.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

aguaviva wrote: post #288
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

L O L. No Israelis are ever extradited to the US for anything even though the US essentially financially bankrolls that entire country. It's basically a place we allow to go gloves off to militarily threaten our enemies, so we can sit back and maintain the "rights-based world order" without catching flak for our own deeds.

Friday, October 20, 2017: WASHINGTON - Stanislav Nazarov, 46, a dual citizen of Israel and Russia, has been extradited from Israel to face charges in an indictment accusing him of taking part in an international money laundering scheme. Israel is quite financially independent these days, and has been so for decades. The US does not simply "bankroll the entire country" by any stretch. But hey, it's a free planet, and…

https://m.jpost.com/opinion/article-712631

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?params=...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/diaspora-pedophiles-increasing...

You're very aware what I'm saying is true on a general scale. Sure, exceptions exist. You also know that the aid the US gives is significant and if it hadn't been given every year for decades, Israel would be nothing like what it is right now, it may not even exist.

Try refuting all the Israeli newspapers above which talk about how difficult it is to extradite obvious criminals from Israel. Apologies that you took my comment starting with "L O L" as if I literally meant no person ever in history has ever been extradited. Only a shockingly large portion have not been and will not be, enough to attract attention in the Israeli and foreign press.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by aguaviva »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #289
aguaviva wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Friday, October 20, 2017: WASHINGTON - Stanislav Nazarov, 46, a dual citizen of Israel and Russia, has been extradited from Israel to face charges in an indictment accusing him of taking part in an international money laundering scheme. Israel is quite financially independent these days, and has been so for decades. The US does not simply "bankroll the entire country" by any stretch. But hey, it's a free planet, and…

https://m.jpost.com/opinion/article-712631 https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?params=... https://www.timesofisrael.com/diaspora-pedophiles-increasing... You're very aware what I'm saying is true on a general scale. Sure, exceptions exist. You also know that the aid the US gives is significant and if it hadn't been given every year for decades, Israel would be nothing like what it is right now, it ma…

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