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Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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> For a company, the product itself, what makes money, cannot be OSS It can. I work for XWiki SAS, and we sell some extensions under LGPL at store.xwiki.com. And it works, people and especially companies, choose convenience over installing the tools to compile and install the extensions themselves. It works because it's usual and easy to understand for companies to pay for software, and way easier to justify than don…

Thanks for your perspective! It is interesting. How does the business plan deal with the chance that it's perfectly in my hands (read: on anyone with whatever motivation, usually commercial) to grab the code and provide the same thing but cheaper or even free? In this case I feel that the answer might ultimately be that it works because it is mostly a niche market and there are other value adds such as support from t…

> How does the business plan deal with the chance that it's perfectly in my hands (read: on anyone with whatever motivation, usually commercial) to grab the code and provide the same thing but cheaper or even free?

Here, it is just some extensions that are in a repository that is enabled by default in the main product (which is free and open source). Someone forking would not have their repository enabled by default. They could of course distribute their own version of XWiki itself with their repository enabled by default. The extensions we sell also come with some basic support, so there's also that. At some point, if someone forks and sells for cheaper, they'll also need to provide the fixes and the features asked by their customers, at which point they'll not be able to keep up with cheap prices.

I suspect a former colleague who now works as a freelance might be distributing some of these apps to their customers (they contribute some fixes from time to time through pull requests).

I guess if it happens more largely we'd figure something out. Now, it's also not our main income. You might be right that it's niche enough to fly under the radar. Forking and maintaining a cheaper copy might also not be lucrative enough: the apps we sell answer needs of existing customers anyway, so we need to write this code anyway, but someone external would probably find something more lucrative to do with their time. I don't know :-)

Another good example I didn't think about in my first comment is WordPress extensions with their premium plans. Because of the WordPress license, you are forced to distribute your WordPress extension as open source. And this is probably less niche, for the biggest extensions.

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You didn't answer the question, and overall you're being very mercurial in this thread. Write coherently. > i just find the tension and contradictions of piracy kinda fascinating You're calling watching a TV show without watching the commercials "piracy"? That's a very broad definition of "piracy" that I'd venture has almost no support outside of your comments here.

I'd call it piracy in a way. Ads are how that specific piece of content is made available - whether it be for paying file hosting costs, creator living expenses, video production, etc. Consuming media without providing compensation for it (through ad views in this case) would meet my definition of new-age piracy.

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Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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You didn't answer the question, and overall you're being very mercurial in this thread. Write coherently. > i just find the tension and contradictions of piracy kinda fascinating You're calling watching a TV show without watching the commercials "piracy"? That's a very broad definition of "piracy" that I'd venture has almost no support outside of your comments here.

I'd call it piracy in a way. Ads are how that specific piece of content is made available - whether it be for paying file hosting costs, creator living expenses, video production, etc. Consuming media without providing compensation for it (through ad views in this case) would meet my definition of new-age piracy.

You want adblock developers to be caged by the state, like piracy site providers?

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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FUTO develops, for the most part, proprietary software that they plan to monetize. The license choice isn't some mistake that you can get them to recant by explaining the virtues of the AGPL and third party distributors. (They're already aware of these things; one of the products under their umbrella is Immich, which was relicensed to AGPL after they started employing the original developer, as a compromise between h…

> Immich, which was relicensed to AGPL after they started employing the original developer To make a small correction, the AGPL relicensing happened _before_ joining FUTO, and was not a compromise. (I'm part of the Immich team)

Sorry, that's right, it looks like the license change was a couple of months before. I must have misremembered something in Louis' announcement video.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Launching the Linux release and noticed in the logs: Directories:User Directory: /home/bisby/Grayjay And there is a directory there now. I absolutely hate having stuff automatically create anything in my home directory like this. Ideally, this should be following XDG directory guidelines on linux: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/

You'd be interested in xdg-ninja: https://github.com/b3nj5m1n/xdg-ninja Like others said, fighting the clean HOME fight is just draining and futile in the end. This script helps you identify low hanging fruit, though, where you can change their storage location with a simple envvar.

I've used xdg-ninja. And it does feel futile. Which is why my original comment comes across a bit more as frustrated/exasperated bug report than an HN comment.

Right now everything that xdg-ninja finds are all things with a .prefix and hidden. which is whatever. if this was ~/.grayjay, I probably would have rolled my eyes but not even bothered to comment. I'm not a stickler about XDG, but I am a bit of a stickler about not cluttering my home directory.

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Creator support is probably the reason why Grayjay doesn't have SponsorBlock integration. What it's trying to bypass is walls being put in place by Youtube after it established itself as a monopoly by leveraging technologies that worked and succeeded because of their no-walls philosophy.

Grayjay does have SponsorBlock

Good to know, I thought they wouldn't add it

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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i just find the tension and contradictions of piracy kinda fascinating. "i hate this so much but i have to get it cause i apparently need it so badly". something being deserving to be obtained, yet not deserving to be paid for. and most of all, somebody feeling so entitled to it that they just can't actually refuse it completely.

You didn't answer the question, and overall you're being very mercurial in this thread. Write coherently. > i just find the tension and contradictions of piracy kinda fascinating You're calling watching a TV show without watching the commercials "piracy"? That's a very broad definition of "piracy" that I'd venture has almost no support outside of your comments here.

If anything, i'd say that your interpretations and subsequent tangents are incoherent. It's really very simple. Get better at understanding.

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Does this app has any creator monetization in mind, or does 'your way' means 'fuck you, i'm not paying you for shit, i'm just taking it'? None of it is "your content", or their content, it's just someone else's content they're leeching on. "full ownership" - of what? literally just, what are their thoughts on that. do people deserve being paid? or don't? and if they don't and it's not worth paying for, how is it stil…

Grayjay allows you to view member (pay only) content if you log in with an account that has access. That allows creators to monetize their content. I'm glad Grayjay includes an adblocker, I wouldn't use it otherwise.

So they're stripping away people's monetization just to insert themselves as a middleman for their own monetization? Very cool!

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I'd call it piracy in a way. Ads are how that specific piece of content is made available - whether it be for paying file hosting costs, creator living expenses, video production, etc. Consuming media without providing compensation for it (through ad views in this case) would meet my definition of new-age piracy.

You want adblock developers to be caged by the state, like piracy site providers?

No

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Launching the Linux release and noticed in the logs: Directories:User Directory: /home/bisby/Grayjay And there is a directory there now. I absolutely hate having stuff automatically create anything in my home directory like this. Ideally, this should be following XDG directory guidelines on linux: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/

Thank you. I thought I was alone in caring about XDG specification.
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