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McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by archagon »

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #176
wesselbindt wrote: post #172

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Because of more money

Money alone won't buy your entry inside the elite circles of the people with real influence. Joe Biden just pardoned his son from crimes that would have gotten you and me in jail already. Similarly, your Clintons, Bushs, Blairs, Bidens, Trumps, none of them or their friends and family will ever see a day in jail no matter their crimes. That's influence money alone can't buy. Those are the 1% of the 1%. They can kill…

“Ex-FBI informant Alexander Smirnov pleads guilty to lying about the Bidens”: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alexander-smirnov-pleads-guilty...

It was a witch hunt from the start.

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Post by caminante »

newswasboring wrote: post #120
caminante wrote: post #111

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Did you intentionally not read the article? > According to Kavanaugh, former McKinsey senior partner Martin Elling "personally deleted various Purdue related electronic materials from his McKinsey laptop with the intent to obstruct future investigations." DOJ officials said Elling has agreed to plead guilty to a felony count of obstruction of justice for destroying those company records. You might've been too busy tr…

Those are not charges for the mass murder they have supported. They are charges for not following procedure. There is a huge difference.

We're calling felony obstruction/coverup charges "not following procedure" and not related to the principal/McKinsey's actions?

This is some mental gymnastics.

It was pay a fine or go to jail, but at best, the parent's comment was still wrong.

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Post by caminante »

ProjectArcturis wrote: post #235
rightbyte wrote: post #191

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McKinsey is sweatshop but with good pay. The work conditions are atrocious and they grind through naive young people like Verdun. Some people have argued on HN that the consultants are cya and political support for things the management class allready know they want. That seem about right.

"Painting bullseyes around bullet holes" is the unofficial consultant motto.

I needed a reminder of this turn of phrase. Thank you.

Flanges up well after "Ready. Fire. Aim!"

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Post by caminante »

dmd wrote: post #208
beepboopboop wrote: post #207

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> and my pockets Do they give money out at these lunches??

No I mean I literally stuffed my coat pockets with food! Sandwiches, fruit, cheese especially.

Perfect job-seeker frame of mind. Completely relaxed and having a good time. At worst, you're making other candidates look less weird!

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Post by emseetech »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #261
emseetech wrote: post #81

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Legalization was popular for weed because weed is relatively benign but decriminalization is what's needed for harder drugs. People get these mixed up and use them interchangeably but they're very different. There will (and should) never be heroin shops that look like Apple stores like there are for weed. Decrim can be for production, distribution and possession but people generally use it to mean possession. That me…

Hard drugs are already effectively decriminalized in CA. When I see cops literally turn the other way to not have to see someone smoke a rock and have to write them a ticket thats how you know. I can’t say that this policy has lead to anyone getting help. If anything it enables people to slip further into the abyss once they come here from places that would otherwise prosecute that behavior when its done in public in…

That's where the final sentence of my post comes in.

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Post by wrs »

roenxi wrote: post #164
wrs wrote: post #117

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Contagious diseases aren’t compatible with the fantasy that individual liberty is always the highest good. That is why decades ago our society realized the need for public health authorities that can temporarily override individual liberties to protect society. Undoubtedly not all the COVID measures were perfect. Some ineffective measures were imposed, and some effective measures were not imposed. You can hindsight a…

I don't think anyone is questioning the existence of the institutions; armies can do what armies want for example and there isn't much anyone can do about it unless the army agrees with their plans. Can't get rid of armies though, we just do what we can and live with the residual risk. The issue is more that in this case the institutions did act, in a panicky and random fashion that seems to, on balance, not have hel…

It seemed like you were questioning the need for the institution, but public health is as needed as defense, so maybe you’re equating them.

You left out vaccinations (obviously effective) and mask mandates (somewhat effective but certainly falls under minor inconvenience) — which are pretty standard public health playbook, so I’m assuming those aren’t considered part of the madness.

The lockdowns were pretty crazy, but recall their goal was mostly to avoid the breakdown of the entire health care system pre-vaccination. There wasn’t any precedent for how to do that.

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Post by roenxi »

Retric wrote: post #211
roenxi wrote: post #116

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1) Little as in "0, but maybe someone wants to quibble that technically it did something so I'll hedge". As far as I can tell literally everyone I know caught COVID, so it is fair to say the vaccine had no impact on transmission. Raising the obvious question of why it matters where people caught it. 2) If catching COVID is going to kill you, by now you are dead by now. Factor in that there'd probably be between 40 an…

> 1) Little as in "0, but maybe someone wants to quibble that technically it did something so I'll hedge". As far as I can tell literally everyone I know caught COVID, so it is fair to say the vaccine had no impact on transmission. Raising the obvious question of why it matters where people caught it. Many hospitalizations and deaths from COVID occurred on subsequent infections. > 2) If catching COVID is going to kil…

So are you advocating authoritarianism on an ongoing plan? Because most COVID infections - and deaths - are still to come in the future. By this ineffective logic you are looking at 10s of thousands if not 100s of thousands of deaths because we're reverting to a dignified baseline of respecting civil liberties and human rights. Are you comfortable with that?

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Post by selimthegrim »

immibis wrote: post #231
grues-dinner wrote: post #201

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The period when people have their own reactions, followed by a sudden reset and synchronisation once the taking points get assembled and is really quite fascinating. I would really love to know how centralised the process of defining talking points is, or if it is, itself, emergent behaviour of a distributed system resulting in coherent outcomes.

I think this is the first time I've seen the process of delivering right-wing talking points fail . Right wing media is talking about how bad it is to kill someone, but right wing followers are pushing back and saying they have no sympathy.

Uh, you don’t want to ever see blasphemy cases then

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Post by bdangubic »

FireBeyond wrote: post #13
bdangubic wrote: post #8

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what kind of adjustment and who are adjusters?

You and I destroying evidence when accused of a crime? Tampering, a felony in most states. Send emails to your team and clients that even explicitly says "We need to eliminate documents and emails about this as the US Attorney has already begun investigating us?" Oh well, no big deal, just have the company pay a fine. Adjust that, for just one thing.

since it is legal for said companies to pay for the adjuster’s political campaigns the chances of this adjusting are not promising…
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