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Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

ninth_ant wrote: post #265
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair to Sheryl Sandberg, she kept telling them that posting to everyone was a terrible idea but Zuckerberg and Cox didn't listen.

I'm not aware of that personally, but I believe it. The revisionist history trying to paint Zuckerberg as being manipulated here is so just insulting to reality. Zuck deserves the credit for both driving the decisions between both the successes and the failures that arose here.

She mentioned it in a performance session that was recorded before I joined FB (I joined in 2013, I believe the talk was from 2011).

I completely agreed with her, but after watching the talk came to the conclusion that if she couldn't change it, then I certainly wouldn't.

More generally, younger people tend to be OK with everyone knowing everything, while as you get older you want to share with smaller circles to avoid conflict. Sheryl was quite a bit older than Mark and Chris at the time, which may have been the difference.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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Post by gosub100 »

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #279
gosub100 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving corporate welfare,tax cuts, and bailouts to mega corps. While not equally helping small businesses, in fact quickly shutting them down when they fail to pay taxes or get permits. Regulatory capture and certain regulations too, preventing people from ever breaking out and owning their own business. It's technically possible but practically not. So they (many blue collar workers) get stuck as working poor.

None of that has anything to do with Cuba specifically keeping salaries for their government workers and most industries below 1 USD a day, a common bar for poverty.

The question I responded to specifically asked about American scope.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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Post by deadbabe »

evanelias wrote: post #251
deadbabe wrote: post #72

Anywhere to find an original copy of one of these?

Two copies have sold on ebay over the past month, with each listed at $1000 despite being later prints and having slight damage. That price seems absolutely bonkers to me. The copy in the scan has a 2014 date, suggesting they were still giving the book to new hires in 2014 or maybe 2015. (I was hired in mid 2013 and my copy has a 2012 date.) So based on company headcount those years and accounting for turnover, I wou…

Maybe someone can put up their copy on eBay if they read this

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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Post by k310 »

The flip side. (Turning the Sun Menlo Park sign around to say Facebook)

Sad for me. As an S.E. (later called TPM) at Sun, I always busted my ass to meet customer needs technically, cost-wise (our group was Higher Educational Sales) and with dedication. I went to Sun after serving many years in computer support for Cal Berkeley, so I wore the customer's moccasins, so to speak.

Our customers were indeed customers, not products. I loved it. Most of us, I think, were crazy for providing the best for customers, and I don't recall a book. We WERE the book.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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Post by throwawayq3423 »

gosub100 wrote: post #282
throwawayq3423 wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of that has anything to do with Cuba specifically keeping salaries for their government workers and most industries below 1 USD a day, a common bar for poverty.

The question I responded to specifically asked about American scope.

You compared specifically limiting salaries for civil servants and most major industries to below the poverty line to tax policy.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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Post by ahaucnx »

mettamage wrote: post #189
sfblah wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're likely too young to remember anything much before 2012. Honestly, this stuff has been around for 50 years. Go watch a video about Steve Jobs at NeXT from the 1980s.

True, but for me, the techno-optimism started with Google. I was a young kid back then, but the idea to catalog all of the world's information under a search engine (that worked) sounded wild to me at the time.

For me it started with AltaVista.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

NetOpWibby wrote: post #169
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But, the data brokerage economy was the only way such a thing could connect people from different economic backgrounds, etc. Without that, to pay for social media, the options would have been paid apps, which would never have had the escape velocity to be what current social media is today

> the data brokerage economy was the only way such a thing could connect people For people profiting from that economy, of course. For everyone else? Not at all. > what current social media is today ...the social media of today is undesirable. People would absolutely pay for social media if the product was good enough. In fact, I believe we're heading towards that future[1]. "Free" search exists. However, so does pai…

> For people profiting from that economy, of course. For everyone else? Not at all.

How else can such a site exist, grow to such scale, and not fall over if it doesn't make money?

> People would absolutely pay for social media if the product was good enough. In fact, I believe we're heading towards that future[1].

People won't do this. A very very small percentage of people will do this. Time and time again that's been proven to be true. Which is fine, but the globally connected social media could never have existed by charging every person on Earth.

Mark my words, paid search will not overtake free search. The people who value paid social media over free social media enough to actually pay are always going to be a very small minority (albeit well represented in this forum)

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

jjeaff wrote: post #252
wyclif wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All you have to do to see this is to look at how some of the biggest tech CEOs and moguls like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, Elon, Jeff Bezos, etc. treat giving their children screens to babysit them. Pretty sure most of them don't, because they know how bad that is.

or they don't because they have full time, live-in nannies to keep their children occupied.

They explicitly share that they don't let their kids use so much screens etc. And they have always been huge advocates of this because they want responsibility for their technology's effect on children to be shifted to parents. So, by themselves modeling how to set boundaries for their kids, they bolster the claim that good parenting is the issue, not the apps designed to be addictive

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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Post by NetOpWibby »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #287
NetOpWibby wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the data brokerage economy was the only way such a thing could connect people For people profiting from that economy, of course. For everyone else? Not at all. > what current social media is today ...the social media of today is undesirable. People would absolutely pay for social media if the product was good enough. In fact, I believe we're heading towards that future[1]. "Free" search exists. However, so does pai…

> For people profiting from that economy, of course. For everyone else? Not at all. How else can such a site exist, grow to such scale, and not fall over if it doesn't make money? > People would absolutely pay for social media if the product was good enough. In fact, I believe we're heading towards that future[1]. People won't do this. A very very small percentage of people will do this. Time and time again that's be…

> People won't do this. A very very small percentage of people will do this.

taps the sign

The idea that companies need hyper growth, "escape velocity," or whatever to succeed is outdated.

> paid search will not overtake free search

There is space for paid and free to coexist. It's not a zero-sum game.

Re: Facebook's Little Red Book

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Post by latchkey »

ahaucnx wrote: post #286
mettamage wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but for me, the techno-optimism started with Google. I was a young kid back then, but the idea to catalog all of the world's information under a search engine (that worked) sounded wild to me at the time.

For me it started with AltaVista.

For me it started with a 1200 baud modem connected to my Apple IIe.
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