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Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by raxxorraxor »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #123
anon7000 wrote: post #117

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Added to that is user choice over moderation and algorithms. That’s what’s truly interesting about BlueSky. It allows for side A and B to both exist, with people who want to be more isolated in a safe space (so to speak) to do so. That’s a really great property. If I want to engage with content I severely disagree with, I can put it in a feed I check infrequently so that it doesn’t impact my life. Humans aren’t good…

I like that aspect about Bluesky too. On “safe spaces”, as you hint at I think many of us don’t want to be shielded entirely from opposing or otherwise differing lines of thought. Speaking personally, I welcome it if there’s actual discussion to be had . Good faith discussions and exchange of perspectives is great, but I have no patience for trolls, circular logic, insults, “debate” that wouldn’t even pass for high s…

Then you need to choose the safe space option. Under no circumstances should you opt to advertise removing content for others. Because your justification with "circular logic" could mean anything. This is the safe space option.

That more free platforms employ spam protection is no excuse.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

mlboss wrote: post #140
madeofpalk wrote: post #70

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I know I'm falling for the bait, but saying X is some last bastion of free speech is baffling, considering it's actual actions. Why do the remaining posters keep self-censoring "Blues*y"?

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that's completely untrue

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Post by CaptainFever »

dehrmann wrote: post #246
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #228

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Didn't it spring up in response to those blameless "algorithms"?

It's more a product of cheaper and easier content distribution. When TV is expensive to produce, there are only three channels, and it's heavily regulated, you target your content to be broadly appealing and inoffensive. The rise of cable TV, revocation of the fairness doctrine, rise of the internet, and fall of the USSR all led to more exposure to broader views. Like GP said, whether this is good or bad depends on y…

This is another good point. I didn't actually intend to make this point, but I wanted to thank you for pointing this out.

I am not a sociologist, just a layman. But I feel that there seems to be two axis of communication. Mass (you don't know who you're talking to) vs targeted (you do know who you're talking to, like friends). Then, professional (you try to be unoffensive) vs casual (you have no such obligation).

Before the Internet, generally communication happened either mass-professional (e.g. TVs, newspapers, magazines) or targeted-casual (e.g. chatting with friends and family). This reduced offense, since mass channels were largely unoffensive as you said, while targeted channels knew how to avoid offense (i.e. you knew how to not offend your friends and family).

However, the Internet enabled a lot of mass-casual communication. And this created a lot of offense, because you didn't know who would read your messages (i.e. Twitter posts), while you didn't have the professional obligation to make sure it was unoffensive and easy to understand. This created a lot of misunderstandings, offense, etc., which leads to cancellations, hate mobs, etc.

Do note that once again I am not a sociologist, and there seems to be holes in this view. What about large group gatherings? Trashy magazines? Clubs? They seem to be examples of mass-casual communication too.

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Post by rsynnott »

transcriptase wrote: post #43
bertil wrote: post #26

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The difference in moderation is night and day. Soon after Musk took over, I started having accounts wishing me violent deaths, repeatedly commenting on everything I said with graphic details (broken bones, poisoning, dragging my body over the pavement, etc.). That happened occasionally before, but they typically got banned. After the takeover, those were gone (and my account got blocked a couple of times for quoting…

What the hell are you doing or saying to warrant that kind of negative attention?

I got some of this years back, by offending Milo Yiannopoulis (who apparently used to search his own name for stuff to point his followers at), back when he was still a far-right darling. Took about a day of mass-block-lists to weed the enraged Nazi teenagers out of my at-mentions.

That was just a single incident, being noticed by far-right weirdos thankfully not being a regular thing for me. But I can imagine it would get old quickly if you were the sort of person who was. Bluesky’s far superior self-moderation is absolutely very useful here.

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Post by danielbln »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #232
threeseed wrote: post #8

People keep missing the point of Threads. It isn't designed to be a pure Twitter clone and doesn't want to become the public square for news, politics etc. It wants to be a text-centric network that helps release Instagram to be more video-centric to compete with TikTok. And so it wants content that is fun, interesting and light. And of course easily monetisable. So I know people like having a fight but I see the two…

Instagram was the only social network that kept me around because it was mostly art and nice photos. Recently i caught myself scrolling past endless videos and thought, shit, I've been tiktokked. Back to scrolling through hacker news comments to rot my brain instead.

I had to disable my YouTube watch history recently because I got trapped into shorts frequently and the only way to disable those is to kill the watch history.

One might think it's only Gen Z/Alpha that is susceptible to the Tiktok dopamine squeeze, but no, works just as well on us old geezers and it's pretty nefarious how well it works.

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Post by rsynnott »

mlboss wrote: post #140
madeofpalk wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know I'm falling for the bait, but saying X is some last bastion of free speech is baffling, considering it's actual actions. Why do the remaining posters keep self-censoring "Blues*y"?

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I mean, you’ll pretty swiftly end up on transphobia blocklists, but what of it? Like, unless you want to force people who don’t want to hear your shit to hear your shit (note that this is not what ‘free speech’ means), what harm is that doing you?

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Post by TiredOfLife »

thekevan wrote: post #121

I still feel that an enormous amount of why threads shows up in data analytics is because Instagram just added it on and made an account for everyone. It wasn't adopted, it was falsely created. I'd go even further to say that it isn't a social network, it's an add-on to another social network.

> Instagram just added it on and made an account for everyone.

They didn't.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by rsynnott »

elphinstone wrote: post #258

Where's Google's Twitter clone? It can have AI nobody wants, a bland name nobody will remember, and be quietly sunsetted when nobody uses it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Buzz

It was actually okay. Half-surprised they didn’t bring it back when Twitter self-immolated.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by rsynnott »

vanjajaja1 wrote: post #37

threads federates with mastodon, what stops threads getting on the AT protocol? is it just their assumed desire to not share data? they could be a mastodon / AT bridge

There are a couple. They’re… shaky, but they exist.
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