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Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by chgs »

Scoundreller wrote: post #237
manvillej wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am very conflicted on a carbon tax for the agriculture industry. It is going to sidle a cost to an industry of razor thin margins. The transition from regenerative agriculture is expensive & rising food costs has a destabilizing effect. There need to be changes, but I am not convinced that this will have the desired effects. Its quite possible this leads to a net conversion of farmland to residential or commercial…

> It is going to sidle a cost to an industry of razor thin margins. Will it or will farmland value take a dump but remain unchanged in use? I always thought of farmland these days as a use of last resort and if it could be marketable for buildings, it’s already not economically worth it as a farm except speculatively

In the U.K. farmland has a rental value of about £100 an acre but a purchase price over £10k an acre.

The value in the land isn’t in its use (which is getting 1% ROI), but in speculation it may be granted permission to be converted to housing, or because of tax loopholes.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by fifticon »

another point is: since WW2, denmark has one of the highest, if not THE highest, percentages of area under agriculture. During WW2, we temporarily allowed agriculture on very poor farmland. It was meant to cease after the war, but our strong farmer lobbyists kept extending the permission.. So it is not about giving up 'good farm land', it is about stopping abusive agriculture which is only possible with extreme chemistry. Source: am Old dane.

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Post by valval »

perlgeek wrote: post #260
madmask wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly what should not happen. Meat is great, especially when grass fed.

... unless the "meat" being grass-fed is actually cows, which produce lots of methane. Not so good for climate change, at least if done at scale. It's never that easy as "Meat is great".

Cow farts being harmful for the environment is the silliest hoax I see repeated over and over.

Spending two minutes reading about the biogenic carbon cycle destroys this misconception.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by fifticon »

kawsper wrote: post #144
ggernov wrote: post #139

This is ghoulish - farmland should directly be benefit the endemic population as much as possible! That's what it's there for! I love green tech like solar etc, made my home even more efficient etc but we need fresh food to LIVE!

Denmark exports a lot of the produced food, and we are one of the most intensely farmed countries in the world, 60.4% of Denmark consists of fields, and 48% of Denmark's land area is used to grow food for animals, animals which are primarily pigs. We also yearly import 1.8 million tons of soy from South America to feed said pigs, because we can't grow enough food for them ourselves. It would be nice to have some natu…

this is about farmland that should never have ben cultivated to begin with, it was a temporary emergency practice from WW2 that lobbyists kept alive after the war.

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Post by space_oddity »

JacobJeppesen wrote: post #162

I've seen a bit of confusion regarding this. First, it's 10% of Denmark's total land area, which is roughly equivalent to 15% of farmland area. Second, the conversion of farmland area into nature and forests is mainly for improving water quality, as excess nitrogen from agriculture has essentially killed the rivers and coastal waters through oxygen depletion from algae. Regarding global warming and CO2, the area conv…

It’s always better to go to the source to avoid misinterpretation

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Post by blitzar »

Gigachad wrote: post #53
freetanga wrote: post #21

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The problem is not production cost, but distribution. A litre of milk is paid at 20c to the producer (never has been cheaper) yet it’s 2€ at the store. The producer makes a few cents on it. The FoodCo is the one driving price up. Them and consumer behavior.

There’s quite a lot of expensive stuff happening in between filling a tank of milk at the farm, and a consumer purchasing a single bottle at a store near them.

Multiple private jets for the CEO being one of them.

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Post by space_oddity »

manvillej wrote: post #190
JacobJeppesen wrote: post #162

I've seen a bit of confusion regarding this. First, it's 10% of Denmark's total land area, which is roughly equivalent to 15% of farmland area. Second, the conversion of farmland area into nature and forests is mainly for improving water quality, as excess nitrogen from agriculture has essentially killed the rivers and coastal waters through oxygen depletion from algae. Regarding global warming and CO2, the area conv…

I am very conflicted on a carbon tax for the agriculture industry. It is going to sidle a cost to an industry of razor thin margins. The transition from regenerative agriculture is expensive & rising food costs has a destabilizing effect. There need to be changes, but I am not convinced that this will have the desired effects. Its quite possible this leads to a net conversion of farmland to residential or commercial…

It’s a bold move, but like you, I’m not sure the potential consequences have been fully addressed

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by space_oddity »

mmooss wrote: post #200
manvillej wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am very conflicted on a carbon tax for the agriculture industry. It is going to sidle a cost to an industry of razor thin margins. The transition from regenerative agriculture is expensive & rising food costs has a destabilizing effect. There need to be changes, but I am not convinced that this will have the desired effects. Its quite possible this leads to a net conversion of farmland to residential or commercial…

Currently the public subsidizes the agriculture industry by paying for the consequences of the industry's carbon emissions. Also, that subsidy distorts industry choices in favor of carbon. The industry might be accustomed to profiting from the subsidy, but that doesn't make them entitled to it! And certainly the industry has had plenty of time to anticipate and adjust to the problems of carbon emissions.

That said, the transition requires thoughtful implementation

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Post by shafyy »

madmask wrote: post #259
teekert wrote: post #256

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Depends on the type of agriculture? If it make veggies cheaper in comparison to meat, I'm all for it. Hopefully it spurs development of sustainable nice tasting protein sources ;) (like synthetic meat etc.)

This is exactly what should not happen. Meat is great, especially when grass fed.

Meat from grass-fed cows emit more GHG per kg than industry-framed meat. Industry farming is efficient.
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