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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by libertine »

johnisgood wrote: post #172
petre wrote: post #91

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Best course of action at this time would be to properly arm Ukraine.

Which happened and kept happening for a long time now, including the US sending billions of dollars and weapons (among other things). That did not help, did it?

> That did not help, did it?

I'm sorry, but this is the type of claim of someone who gets news from the Joe Rogan podcast.

Ukraine managed to defend its capital from annexation, liberated thousands of miles of territory, and managed to improve its protection of civilians thanks to air defense systems, has lower casualty rates than Russia, and now is starting to create a buffer zone into Russian territory.

How isn't this a sign that it didn't help?

Now... could, and should, Ukraine receive way more help, on time to help them even more? Of course. The drip feed has been one of the worse strategic decisions in this conflict, almost like there's no strategy in place.

But Ukraine needs to develop its deterrence.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by paganel »

azeirah wrote: post #97
lxgr wrote: post #95

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It also sends two messages: "We can do this to any of your cables", and "we're willing to" – with an implied "we could easily do it to all of them at the same time". And the last scenario is the real problem: While there are enough cable repair ships to continuously handle a normal rate of simultaneous peak failures, fixing multiple cuts can quickly exceed their capacity. (There's nothing that says an attacker can on…

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The Russian oligarchs have no say in any of this, they never have, people in the West still repeating this mantra almost 3 years since the war in Ukraine has started for good is a big part of the reason why the same West is close to military defeat there, they just refuse to acknowledge how Russia really operates.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by paganel »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #144
petre wrote: post #128

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Their shadow oil fleet is operated by third parties and shell companies. We are dealing with a mafia state here. https://windward.ai/knowledge-base/illuminating-russias-shad...

> Their shadow oil fleet is operated by third parties and shell companies Would be a shame if they started having engine troubles in the middle of the ocean.

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Post by rightbyte »

aguaviva wrote: post #272
rightbyte wrote: post #268

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It has already been acknowledged that the rates are "lopsided", i.e. that Russian loss rates are higher than Ukrainian loss rates. But none of what you're saying means that Ukraine isn't also suffering from a very high loss rate.

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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by paganel »

tetrisgm wrote: post #60

The constant Russian interference, combined with the regular escalation from the jets patrolling, and the radar jamming, really needs to be dealt with. We're stuck between having to do timid actions and full NATO escalation. This feels like constant creep.

> really needs to be dealt with.

Ignoring the passive voice, who do you suggest should deal with that, more precisely? And how do you suggest "dealing" with one of the two nuclear hyper-powers in existence? (the other one being the Americans)

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by lopsidedgrin »

paganel wrote: post #282
azeirah wrote: post #97

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The Russian oligarchs have no say in any of this, they never have, people in the West still repeating this mantra almost 3 years since the war in Ukraine has started for good is a big part of the reason why the same West is close to military defeat there, they just refuse to acknowledge how Russia really operates.

>acknowledge how Russia really operates.

Enlighten us then. How would suggest Russia should be treated?

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by libertine »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #273
zelon88 wrote: post #76

It's just practice. Locate the cables, establish a means of damaging them, deploy the means as a test and a show of force. The western economy is almost completely built using off-prem in Cloud PaaS environments. It should be pretty fun when WW3 starts and not a single hospital, school, laboratory, or factory can operate.

> It should be pretty fun when WW3 starts ... Which may happen as some people just got Biden to authorize (honestly I don't think he can do that by himself), without congress approval, the use of long range missiles by Ukraine. Some people are really hard at work trying to start WWIII. I don't think it's the russian who severed those cables. Russia knows that if WWIII doesn't start until a few more weeks, Trump is pr…

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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by tmnvix »

libertine wrote: post #288
TacticalCoder wrote: post #273

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> It should be pretty fun when WW3 starts ... Which may happen as some people just got Biden to authorize (honestly I don't think he can do that by himself), without congress approval, the use of long range missiles by Ukraine. Some people are really hard at work trying to start WWIII. I don't think it's the russian who severed those cables. Russia knows that if WWIII doesn't start until a few more weeks, Trump is pr…

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At one time I believed Russia was responsible for sabotaging Nordstream. That was presented as the 'probable' and even 'obvious' conclusion. I no longer believe that.

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Post by SauciestGNU »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #279
SauciestGNU wrote: post #237

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The courts are effectively captured at every level, because Trump can scribble a writ of cert on a McDonald's napkin and SCOTUS will grant cert and provide the desired outcome. The playbook across the country will be the same, mark my words. The fascists will file motions for changes of venue out of state courts with integrity and into captured federal courts.

> courts are effectively captured at every level, because Trump can scribble a writ of cert on a McDonald's napkin and SCOTUS will grant cert and provide the desired outcome Sure. This takes time. You also can’t remove state cases to any federal court, it has to be in the circuit.

Judge and venue shopping makes it pretty easy though. What circuit hasn't been captured by the federalist society? Even the 9th is getting conservative.
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