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Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by canucker2016 »

indoordin0saur wrote: post #41
shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

Wait, this isn't clear to me. Are the interviewees citizens? So you're interviewing citizens to prove that there aren't any who can fill your jobs but even when they clearly could fill the job you don't hire them? Seems like the requirement of proving "there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job" is going to be near impossible for the government to enforce

the person applying for the green card already works for the interviewing company. the job opening is THAT green card applicant's job requirements.

the lawyer/law firm handling the green card application process has to prove that there are no US citizens who are qualified to do the job.

if there were qualified applicants for the job, then the green card applicant won't be given a green card, I assume. But that green card applicant is already working in the country via some other visa, so there is no job opening to fill typically.

the current person in the job is performing well, otherwise, why would you be trying to get a green card for them?

i've never heard of any green card applicant getting denied a green card due to a qualified US citizen applicant.

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Post by gadders »

shmatt wrote: post #171
protonbob wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically you're wasting the interviewees time and breaking the law by admitting that you won't hire a citizen who would do the job just as well.

The law says I can’t submit the I-140 application, which I follow the law and I don’t submit it. As a people manager it’s a heartbreaking conversation to have - to tell a report their dream of staying beyond their visa is gone The law says every line manager needs to do their own industry pulse check every time an i-140 is submitted. And this is the only legal way to pulse check (advertise a ghost job). It would be m…

>> As a people manager it’s a heartbreaking conversation to have - to tell a report their dream of staying beyond their visa is gone

If an actual citizen could have done the job, they shouldn't be in the country in the first place.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by dentemple »

diego_moita wrote: post #232

This is the reason I no longer bother with HN's "Who's Hiring" posts. They're all Ghost Jobs and we can't even complain there about it.

I'd be curious to see if _anyone_ has actually been hired through HN Who's Hiring over the past two years here.

I can only offer anecdotal experience, but...

Despite 1) being a US-based dev, 2) Applying only to US-based jobs, 3) With 10+ years work experience, and 4) Having skills in commonly asked for technologies such as JS, React, and Python...

I've only gotten to the interview stage with an HN Who's Hiring listing only once. Only a single instance over the past two years.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

returningfory2 wrote: post #257
dec0dedab0de wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re right, I was a bit hyperbolic there. Though it is supposed to be for skilled jobs that a capable american is not available to do.

> Though it is supposed to be for skilled jobs that a capable american is not available to do. No it's not. The H-1B program has no requirement for a labor market test (i.e. showing that there is no citizen that can do the job). The Immigration and Nationality Act, which is the source of the H-1B program, does not have such a requirement. The only big requirements are that the job require a degree (except for fashion…

huh I thought the “good faith steps to recruit U.S. workers” part was for every company, but apparently it’s only for certain companies receiving money or who have already got in trouble.

I would have been more against it if I realized that.

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Post by galangalalgol »

gigel82 wrote: post #278
para_parolu wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This means small companies may not get good talent that value things besides salary (wfh, perks, fun project) and will have to compete with corporations for people who only cares about money. This may (or may not) impact startups

Stop it, no one "values things besides salary", and you know it.

I get your point, but if that were completely true, no one would work in the videogame or embedded software sectors. They pay dramatically less, especially early in career.

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Post by throwaway030 »

endtime wrote: post #241
goochphd wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once applied to a position like this. It was eerily similar to my background, and when I did a little digging I found that the group lead had even directly cited my research papers in his own research work. I applied on the site, reached out on LinkedIn to the group lead and the recruiter, and even was able to find emails for those two, which I also messaged as well. They didn't even bother to send me an automated…

When I last changed jobs, I started looking at the end of 2021. I was a staff SWE at Google, MS CS from Stanford, etc. - a good resume. I also found myself applying into a black hole. But when I used second degree connections to get someone at the company to acknowledge I existed, everything started moving, and I ended up with great offers from both the companies I had applied in. Sometimes there are ghost roles, but…

This so much. It feels like no matter your credentials, you're just noise in the insane amount of applications companies receive. Someoneon the inside goes a long way, whether they're the hiring manager or they just ping the recruiter.

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Post by freeone3000 »

gigel82 wrote: post #278
para_parolu wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This means small companies may not get good talent that value things besides salary (wfh, perks, fun project) and will have to compete with corporations for people who only cares about money. This may (or may not) impact startups

Stop it, no one "values things besides salary", and you know it.

I value a good manager, a fun team, an actual PTO policy I can use, and cool projects to work with at about $40,000 a year. Salary is valuable but it is not the only valuable thing.

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

moomin wrote: post #32
shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

I think you've managed to explain why H1Bs shouldn't exist pretty convincingly.

My one hope for the next administration is that they crack down hard on this sort of thing and pursue comprehensive immigration reform. A company that relies on labor from people who don't even have permanent residency rights probably shouldn't exist, and yes, I'm including agriculture in that statement. We should have a points based system like Canada with some carve outs for lower skilled ag workers.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #159
projectazorian wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The h1b program is supposed to be for people at the top of their field so they can skip the normal visa line, but it is commonly used to save money through exploitation. Incorrect - such people already qualify for green cards under the "alien of extraordinary ability" criterion. At least in theory, anyway. There is no "normal visa line" btw, unless you mean the green card diversity lottery, which people from eg. In…

You’re right, I was a bit hyperbolic there. Though it is supposed to be for skilled jobs that a capable american is not available to do.

America is a big country. There will always be someone capable of doing the job if you take price out of the equation.

I get that people like semantically and logically simple ideas, but the world doesn't reflect that.

Cost is an inherent part of the H1B program

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Post by dilyevsky »

gadders wrote: post #252
shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

That sounds ethical. Good to hear that H1B programme isn't being abused.

Omg 80% of comments in this thread are so confidently wrong it’s insane. Fyi tp is actually doing everything by the book
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