With all of the hacking and newfangled ai tools out there, perhaps hand counting removes some of that element.
Trump wins presidency for second time
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#282From my perspective, Harris mostly failed to convey what her agenda is. The way I inform myself about politicians is by typing " interview" into YouTube and listen to a few hours of interviews with them. With Harris, nothing stuck except that she is pro taxing the rich. With Trump, what stuck is that he is pro border, pro Bitcoin, pro tariffs and pro Tesla.
If you had actually done this you would’ve realized that Trump has “concepts of a plan” for childcare and healthcare. Despite promising us his plans for 8 years now.
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#283Not super worried from a European perspective, it might even spur on some cooperation in our own union, which I support. Just a bit nervous for Ukraine... I wish Europe could step up on that front but we just don't have the capacity for it. Which is entirely our own fault, Trump is right to call us out on our reliance on the US. It's our continent we should be the one spearheading this. Hopefully that will change in…
Trump is wrong in that. Europe relies on the US, because the American world order is built that way. That's what the US has traditionally wanted. They are the hegemon that maintains the world order and pays for it. Europe usually supports the US, both for ideological reasons and because it benefits from the American world order.
But if the US is no longer committed to their world order, I can see the return of a more selfish Europe. One that is willing to work with both the US and BRICS and does not automatically favor either.
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#284From a game theoretical perspective this is a good result. It is a clear reiteration of the message to the Democrats: you won't win by claiming to be 0.1% less bad. The Democrats should have fielded a strong personality in their own right. This is not about left or right. It's about mobilizing people by giving them something to care about. "More of the same" and "not like that guy" isn't very enticing. I don't think…
Nah.. as the old saying goes: "It's the economy, stupid."
Trump wasn't elected, the bad inflationary economy created by monetary shenanigans elected Trump.
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#285As a European, I’m trying to see the positive side of this situation. Here are a few thoughts:
- It appears that Democrats are often seen as part of an "elite," which makes it difficult for people at home to relate to or understand their message. A full reset might be needed to bridge this gap.
- Europe has long been under the shadow of the United States. Perhaps this could be a good start toward greater independence for Europe.
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#286Not super worried from a European perspective, it might even spur on some cooperation in our own union, which I support. Just a bit nervous for Ukraine... I wish Europe could step up on that front but we just don't have the capacity for it. Which is entirely our own fault, Trump is right to call us out on our reliance on the US. It's our continent we should be the one spearheading this. Hopefully that will change in…
The US leaving NATO would be terrible for Europe. Ukraine is very likely fucked with that result. I’m European and extremely worried.
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#287As an American who grew from nothing, served in the military, and expanded in my career - I find the concerns for Democracy comical. Most of you do not understand the type of people that built and fought for democracy. There is no real fear amongst these same type of people in modern America.
America joined the ranks of Russia and China. If you think Democracy isn't threatened, then you believe it never existed
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#288Looks like he also might win the popular vote. First republican to win the popular vote since 2004. If this is true, then this was a clear mandate that the a majority of voters prefer Trump's policies over the other side. We might not like it, but this is how democracy works. There is certainly going to be domestic and international chaos in the coming years. But a realignment of the world order and domestic politics…
> Nor is it going to be the end of the United States.
We're looking at the possibility of a 7-2 Supreme Court stacked with activist judges (the new ones will be even more so). Now, it depends on your definition of "the United States" but whatever comes out the rear end of this is going to look different to the point of potentially being unrecognizable. They already have the playbook.
A few bleary-eyed, scatterbrained possibilities: mass deportations, end of the free press/open internet, end of the Department of Education (public school?), end of birth control, bans on vaccines, etc., etc.
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#289This really sucks and is making me incredibly worried. I know we don't discuss politics on HN, and there's not much point in debating this. But seriously... this clown? what's wrong with the US.
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#290With all of the hacking and newfangled ai tools out there, perhaps hand counting removes some of that element.
And when electronic voting was first introduced, it was seen as a step towards reducing fraud in the hand counted voting process.
I suppose that one could conclude that electronic voting simply moved the fraud from local fraud to remote fraud.