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Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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You call a tax fraud investigation "needlessly harassing the business of sovereign individuals?" You're right, the U.S. is very business and industry friendly, which explains why the American people have been getting poorer and poorer while corporations and their shareholders get richer and richer.

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Take a walk around San Francisco and then say poverty isn't a problem.

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Well they certainly do want the revenues from users outside of Ireland

People with guns forcibly going through your things with threat of prison time tends to erase desire for revenue. See international business climate in China.

Around ~2012 we were chilling on the terrace of a fancy office in the brisk morning (after a quick server migration in the datacenter on the ground floor, which of course turned into an all-nighter) as people were coming in to work, and then suddenly the folks coming in all looked the same, greenish uniform, some had SMGs, oh well.

We worked for a small company, so we knew that they're here for the big company that does credit card transactions, but it was both surprising and ... absolutely uneventful, they didn't even talk to us. (As we were leaving we didn't even run into them - at least I don't recall any interaction.)

Later the sysadmins of the big company had amazing stories about how the tax authorities wanted copies of every hard drive. And when they told them that, sure, sure, but things are on a RAID and without the config and the card it'll be useless. They didn't care of course :)

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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As an American surrounded by Superfund sites I would like some of these unnecessary restrictions and harassment by the state. The US is so beholden to private interests we can't even repair the roads or mandate healthcare without making it into a market.

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> Do you know how we won World War 2?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_a_Flag_over_the_Reichs...

I don't see any American flag here.

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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The Average American is getting richer and richer, especially compared to European wage stagnation. I don’t think non-Americans understand how rich middle class americans are.

Only 50% of Americans have Passports. 80% in Europe. We understand it, because we travel there on, our paid, vacations. My last time in America I went to San Francisco, lots of money, I have not seen a worst place to live in my life. Americans don't understand the quality of life other places have.

And other places don’t understand the sheer amount of wealth and freedom other people have. "It costs a lot of money to look this cheap" and San Francisco spends billions to look that cheap btw.

Especially Europe. Europeans don’t even seem to understand how large America is, which is why so few have passports.

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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The alternative, giving them a password that gives them read/write access to sensitive systems, would be insane. Subpoena for particular data.

Uber has a history of serving falsified data to the justice, though. Their offices are raided because they can’t be trusted with a subpoena.

The real issue is that technology has rendered office raiding useless. People are welcome to explore alternatives.

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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The alternative, giving them a password that gives them read/write access to sensitive systems, would be insane. Subpoena for particular data.

You can give them read access tokens that expire every couple of hours....

The problem is deeper than that. When a physical space is raided, its scope is obvious. Digital spaces don't have that characteristic. There can always be hidden indexes.

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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If you do business in France, you are accountable in France. Your problem to provide the asked documents if it's the law to provide them. That you are using computers elsewhere to store stuff should not be any relevant. You shouldn't really be able to have it both ways, should you?

Uber's files and computers located in French territory are of course accountable to French authorities, but that's simply not the case for those located in other jurisdictions… Unless there is some international law or treaty mandating that?

It's not a matter of what's located in France. It's a matter of what documentation about your company requires you to keep. Regardless of where the computers you use are physically located if you can't produce the required documents you get to be fined, be shut down, and/or go to prison. No company gets to play the game of "we're doing business in Uzbekistan but our accounting servers are in Sealand so we don't have to file any taxes or provide any other records." Not only is the idea absurd, anyone who thinks that is congenitally stupid or stupid by choice.

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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If you do business in France, you are accountable in France. Your problem to provide the asked documents if it's the law to provide them. That you are using computers elsewhere to store stuff should not be any relevant. You shouldn't really be able to have it both ways, should you?

Uber's files and computers located in French territory are of course accountable to French authorities, but that's simply not the case for those located in other jurisdictions… Unless there is some international law or treaty mandating that?

Authorities might not be able to seize computers and files in another country, although I think interpol can get involved in tax fraud or tax evasion matters.

Preventing access to your accounts during an audit is quite fishy, especially for an onsite audit without warning which, in France, is supposed to happen only if the authorities have doubts that you could make some evidences disappear. During an audit, the CEO is supposed to provide the documents, the inspectors are not supposed to access your files themselves I think.

(So blocking access for security reasons is bullshit, to answer someone else, the right thing to do is to have all the pieces in order for when an audit happens anyway)

Re: Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Nothing uber does is crazy anymore

Not by comparison to Uber at least. 'Historical' documentaries about it are going to be wild. And probably on Netflix.

History is written by the winners sadly enough.
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