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Post by binoct »

divan wrote: post #270
8338550bff96 wrote: post #257

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That is good to hear and hopefully gets fixed. It has been some years now, but I did use flutter for some toy projects and liked using it - I am used to using ReactJS I found there was a lot of transitive knowledge coming from that background. Ultimately what dissuaded me from pursuing it for any bigger projects is a lack of examples of great looking production apps with complex requirements. When I was looking, I wa…

I don't know how to fix the showcase problem. With web apps, it's easy – just scan HTML, deduce what framework is used, and add it to your showcase list. With Flutter mobile/desktop apps it's not possible. And there are zero incentives for developers to send their apps for screenshots. You just ship the release and move on to the next tasks. I also discovered Flutter in 2018, and it kind brought joy into UI programmi…

> I don't know how to fix the showcase problem.

This is trivial for any team that provides a framework/platform and spends any amount of time engaged with their customers - you know who your prestige customers are and you show off examples of the products they have built with it. The state of the showcase is just reinforcing the points made by the OP.

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Post by deergomoo »

ForHackernews wrote: post #269
deergomoo wrote: post #215

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> Most people don't realize how many apps written in Flutter they use daily, simply because it's impossible to tell You can't be serious. Maybe on Android, but on other platforms—especially iOS—they stick out like a sore thumb. A number of them just look like Material Design Android apps awkwardly transplanted over, but I know that's down to the developer so I won't hold that against Flutter. But scrolling through th…

I miss the days when applications had their own look and feel. If your idea of great design is identical rectangles to all the other apps, I guess Winforms solved that use case 20 years go.

It’s perfectly possible to still have a unique look and feel without completely forsaking all the platform affordances. You get a lot of stuff for free or very cheap building using the platform toolkits: stuff that people internalise and expect to work without even realising it. I think it’s a bad idea to throw that all away.

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Post by manquer »

EGreg wrote: post #249
fhdsgbbcaA wrote: post #210

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Can’t, but not sure why that’s hard to believe?

Because billions of people or their devices aren't even online every hour. Unless you're discussing background processes on google's side

Push notifications need to connect to that many devices every hour easily

You may not get a notification every hour, but the phone still have to connect to Google APIs to check to know that.

You can say same thing about say location services, every phone if powered and connected to the internet would ping more than one an hour, more than billion devices are definitely online at any give time, not just Android phones, also every android TV, tablet, watch, and the hundreds if not thousands of other devices running GMS on top of AOSP .

There are probably few other APIs in GMS that would ping at least once an hour each device that is powered on, perhaps things like NTP for timing alerts or Emergency Alerts etc.

You may consider them "Background Services" , most of them however have some foreground UI if they need to, and users will notice if they don't work

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Post by no_carrier »

divan wrote: post #227
kernal wrote: post #184

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>Flutter is the best thing that happened to UI development since Qt. Most people don't realize how many apps written in Flutter they use daily, simply because it's impossible to tell I agree with you that Flutter has been a boon for cross platform development, but to say it's impossible to tell you're using a Flutter app is a bit of an exaggeration. I have no problem identifying Flutter apps. Not that I care as they…

How do you do that? I just opened my phone, and the last app I used was a food delivery app. How can I figure out if it's a Flutter app or a native one?

I don't think people are able to tell a Flutter app from any other cross platform/web framework. They just think they can.

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Post by deergomoo »

brewii wrote: post #278
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I can appreciate that as a developer, but as a user I don’t particularly care that some company wants to ship identical looking apps on every device under the sun. I would prefer the apps I use to work and behave in a consistent way, using the same platform idioms I am used to. The software available and how it works was a large part of the reason I chose the platform I did. Of course, I recognise that, a. most peopl…

Pretty sure most large succesful apps have their own UI and UI design teams. Cant remember the last time i saw anything cupertino in an app. Even Apples own 'Home' app only loosely use cupertino. Id say the most noticable effect is the bottom modal sheet slide up effect. on ios the original screen animates into the background a little bit. Apps that dont implement this can be spotted but thats not unique to flutter a…

You’re completely right, but that doesn’t change the fact that I think it’s a bad idea. For a company that used to care so much about user experience, Apple has been throwing a lot of it out the window in recent years.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by yen223 »

notpushkin wrote: post #37
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There's 200k weekly downloads of node on npm. A million flutter devs means that there's a comparable amount of node devs to flutter. I'm not sure how else to estimate it, but there's 170k github stars of flutter compared to 100k node, and a roughly equal amount of forks. The 2024 SO dev survey https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology/ has flutter at 10% and nodejs at 40%. Github language stats has JS about 10-…

> There's 200k weekly downloads of node on npm. I’m pretty sure Node developers usually don’t install Node from npm.

Yeah. For comparison, there are 27 million weekly downloads for React.

I'm not sure what conclusions we can draw from either number.

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

deergomoo wrote: post #251
divan wrote: post #233

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Sure, but not every cross-platform app developer wants their app to look "native to iOS". Especially if you want your app to look the same on all platforms and/or have some creative design.

I can appreciate that as a developer, but as a user I don’t particularly care that some company wants to ship identical looking apps on every device under the sun. I would prefer the apps I use to work and behave in a consistent way, using the same platform idioms I am used to. The software available and how it works was a large part of the reason I chose the platform I did. Of course, I recognise that, a. most peopl…

> I would prefer the apps I use to work and behave in a consistent way, using the same platform idioms I am used to. The software available and how it works was a large part of the reason I chose the platform I did.

There are DOZENS of us!!!

I try my absolute best to find apps that use the native Apple language, both design and code. I can't stand these framework apps. I will Pepsi challenge this with anyone who asks, I can smell a framework app.

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Post by fastball »

breck wrote: post #132
rubiquity wrote: post #7

They estimate there are one million Flutter developers/users. Have I been sleeping under a rock?

Wow, I had seen signs that Flutter was something special for years, but hadn't checked in a while. Some relevant data: - Over 165K GH stars - Over 140K subredditers - Over 500K YouTube subscribers The 1M estimate is at least ballpark accurate. https://pldb.io/concepts/flutter.html

Does subscribing to a coffee-tuber automatically make you a barista?
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