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Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by golol »

d1sxeyes wrote: post #268
golol wrote: post #266

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I originally thought that the nhtsa would perform some tests of this kind but I was disappointed to find out that this doesn't seem to be the case. Most focus on pedestrian safety seems to be on automatic emergency braking and other ADAS systems. In this regard I claim that by default one should expect the Cybertruck to be at least decent. Not the best but surely not terrible. While the shape of the hood and the visi…

See, my concern here is that I feel very skeptical about my instincts on this. I suspect both cars are bad, but if the Cybertruck is (for example) twice as bad as a the F-150, would I know what that would look like? I doubt it. Up until you’re sticking Mad Max type spikes on the front, I am not sure that I’d be able to say with confidence anything other than “I think probably trucks with high bonnets are worse for pe…

yea I prett much agree

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Post by llamaimperative »

rdtsc wrote: post #272
llamaimperative wrote: post #252

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No, I'm describing the uselessness of people's individual experiences to describe statistical phenomena

But I don't see it a whole lot worse than a forum of users listing all the problem they without having any kind of statistic on exactly how frequent these issues are, per vehicle, per mile driven etc. People who have problems with their cybertruck will go and post about it. Understandably, they are also frustrated, the posts sound angry, and then any journalist can repost/compile all those to make it sound like these…

Agreed! More objectively I’m pretttty sure Cybertruck has had an abnormal number of recalls since its introduction, but yeah: we need statistics to make any confident claims.

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Post by mbrumlow »

moooo99 wrote: post #186
frugalmail wrote: post #177

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If it's strictly the height that's the issue Tesla can make it so it's software locked not to surpass a certain height on paved roads or geo fence it.

It’s not strictly about height, that is only one of the factors. Modern cars usually have pedestrian safety systems that the cybertruck does not have by design.

I keep seeing people say this.

What are these? Have you seen a hummer or a ford F2 or f350? What about a Lexus LS or GX? Cadillac Escalade or Lincoln Navigator?

What about a Camry other than its size specifically is for pedestrians when hit?

Then we have the smart car. A small bubble designed to not crush. Fairly sure if that thing hits somebody they are not going to be “gee I am glad that the car makers made this car so safe for me being hit by it”

I can think very hard what a car would look like that would be pedestrian safe, and what features it would have. And none of any cars today look like they would be safe.

As for features for safety only one comes in mind, automatic breaking for pedestrians.

As for the cyber truck. The bend up front looks a lot more safe than most of the other pointy cars.

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Post by 39896880 »

dpkirchner wrote: post #232
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #181

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I have a Volt and love it - it's the perfect car for someone like me with a 30 mi round trip commute. Partner recently got the plugin hybrid version of the BMW X5 (gets about 50 miles on electric), and so far we love that car, too. Don't understand at all why GM doesn't make a PHEV SUV. They would be the perfect car for lots of people in the US.

They don't need to bother. They got competition effectively banned at the border. Now we're stuck with the same mediocrity we've had for decades.

Eh. If foreign carmakers want to compete in the US they can do what Toyota did and set up shop in the US. Employ Americans with market wages and under American labor standards.

We had a generation of globalism. It gutted the middle class.

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Post by mbrumlow »

addicted wrote: post #262
bko wrote: post #249

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How bad it was? What planet are you on? It was incredibly ambitious and impressive. They made huge progress in just a few years on robots. Check out a Salesforce, apple or Google event where they flex about adding a heart rate monitor to their watch ir similarly banal improvement. Ill never understand the hate

What about it is either ambitious or progressive? They’ve not even met the goals they said they would meet 3 years ago.

I hate this argument in business.

A goal not some metric that has to be met. It’s a goal, an aspiration to do something, not a deadline.

Most businesses ran by people who use goals as deadlines fail horridly.

This is one thing many of the major companies that are ultra successful have in common. They are ran by people who set goals, failed to meet the goal - and continued to move forward.

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Post by lenkite »

bko wrote: post #229
Tanoc wrote: post #104

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The thing is, the people most likely to complain that the Cybertruck is a bad vehicle are the people who are informed about it. The wider public doesn't know about things like the tonneau cover leaking, wheel bearings failing, the suspension being stuck down and causing tire rub, the aerodynamic wheel covers that were causing tire failures because they were puncturing the sidewalls, the upper control arms that bend l…

I think a simpler explanation is that terminally online people just don't like the politics of the CEO and like to take any chance to dunk on him. In a world that has been stagnant for decades in terms of design and doing things out the box, it's something at least trying to be different. Don't get all the hate

Elon Musk should dump Trump, support Kamala, perma-ban the right-wing and whoever the White House wants from Twitter. Then his popularity on HN will increase by 100x and HN commenters will start loving the Cybertrucks and start (re)liking X.

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Post by tedd4u »

Terr_ wrote: post #26

This kind of summary is tricky because the answer can depend on the bucketing that occurs from the spread of models or manufacturers. The linked Kelly Blue Book report tables are probably more-useful, and state that in Q3, 4.8% of the vehicles sold were Cybertrucks. I'm not familiar with pickup-truck-adjacent vehicles, but I notice the "Ford F-150 Lightning" was 2.1%, and the "GMC Hummer Truck / SUV" was 1.2%.

It's impressive. But to be fair, a totally novel item should be expected to have pent up demand that smooths out over time. The F-150 was introduced 49 years ago so demand has smoothed already.

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Post by cutemonster »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #111

There was a Cybertruck at the Paris Games Week (there was a Tesla corner in the con for some reason). That was my first time seeing one in person. The most striking thing was how tall it was. Half the kids attending the PGW were smaller than its front bumper. I hope these things never, ever get allowed in France.

Interesting about height and fatality risk: (from the article)

> a 10cm increase in the front-end height of a vehicle led to a 22% increase in pedestrian fatality risk, most strongly affecting the survival chances of women, children, and older people.

Kid killer cars

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Post by lazyeye »

addicted wrote: post #262
bko wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How bad it was? What planet are you on? It was incredibly ambitious and impressive. They made huge progress in just a few years on robots. Check out a Salesforce, apple or Google event where they flex about adding a heart rate monitor to their watch ir similarly banal improvement. Ill never understand the hate

What about it is either ambitious or progressive? They’ve not even met the goals they said they would meet 3 years ago.

If only Elon was more like your average commenter on HN, just imagine what he could have achieved then....

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Post by GoToRO »

mbrumlow wrote: post #283
moooo99 wrote: post #186

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It’s not strictly about height, that is only one of the factors. Modern cars usually have pedestrian safety systems that the cybertruck does not have by design.

I keep seeing people say this. What are these? Have you seen a hummer or a ford F2 or f350? What about a Lexus LS or GX? Cadillac Escalade or Lincoln Navigator? What about a Camry other than its size specifically is for pedestrians when hit? Then we have the smart car. A small bubble designed to not crush. Fairly sure if that thing hits somebody they are not going to be “gee I am glad that the car makers made this ca…

A hood low enough to throw the pedestrian over the car. Enough space under the hood to allow enough deformation to prevent serious head injury (main reason the pedestrian is killed as I remember). Hood "airbags" that lift the hood up, adding even more space to decelerate the pedestrian (as I remember, this was optional but available to car manufacturers).

Normally new cars should come with emergency braking. As I remember, emergency braking is the only new technology to challenge the seat belt in efficiency. All the other safety features are almost marginal on how effective they are.

I don't know if the cybertruck has it, but I think the EU regulations might be a little behind the times, not yet recognizing the efficiency of emergency braking.

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