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"Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by Kye »

unethical_ban wrote: post #218
zamalek wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though it is less of an issue for those two, given that they have built-in adblocking. Still a laudable effort.

At this point, I wonder why Firefox doesn't have a vivaldi-like tracker and ad block interface. Perhaps it has to do with being a Google-funded browser. I wonder how hard that would be to implement for someone who knew how to do it? Or if the code for that in vivaldi is open source?

It does. Click the little shield in the address bar. I assume it blocks some ads even if it's not as effective as uBlock Origin.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by Scion9066 »

est wrote: post #8

Can't we avoid the Manifest bullshit altogether? I remember how IE plugins roles: just dll inject into the process.

Chrome tries to block the majority of third-party software from injecting code into it:

https://blog.chromium.org/2017/11/reducing-chrome-crashes-ca...

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by gzer0 »

exikyut wrote: post #245
QuantumGood wrote: post #222

"browsers using the ExtensionManifestV2Availability policy will be exempt from any browser changes until June 2025" To extend ManifestV2 in Chrome, add the text below to a text file, saving and running it as a .reg will create and add a value of 2 to "ExtensionManifestV2Availability" in the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Google\Chrome key (When you open/run a .reg file, it updates your registry, usually preceed…

And IIRC including the quotes in a filename in a save dialog, líke "manifestv2.reg" (incl quotes), will save it with the extension you typed, so you won't end up with 'manifestv2.reg.txt'. So you skip a potentially otherwise needed rename step.

Wow, thanks for this tip. Saves the effort of having to manually find "all types" in the drop down... this is so much easier.

Also, just for clarification:

  Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

  [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Google\Chrome]
  "ExtensionManifestV2Availability"=dword:00000002
Apparently, the line Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 is necessary at the beginning of the .reg file. This line indicates the format version for the registry file and tells Windows that it is compatible with the current registry editor (according to GPT). This worked for me.

Save the file as:

  EnableExtensionManifestV2.reg

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

ragnese wrote: post #261
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> tech nerds you would be surprised how many devs these days have drunk the big tech coolaid. leetcode all the time and dream of working at google and using chrome and writing javascript. if the tech nerds took a stand and used firefox en masse, we wouldn't have this problem. unfortunately it is now normie season. we have to travel through these dark times.

There's still hope. I would like to draw a parallel to Microsoft Windows, with my own narrative added over. Tech nerds mostly knew that Windows was not a good server operating system. It was also not a fantastic software development environment unless you were using a big, all-inclusive, IDE that was probably aimed specifically at developing Windows libraries and applications. But, Windows was (and still is) the choi…

> All we have to do is get the tech nerds to stop using Chrome. Chrome can't survive forever if the nerds stop using Chrome, if we stop optimizing our web pages specifically for Chrome, and if we stop writing and maintaining extensions for it.

Agreed 100% with this.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by Raed667 »

yborg wrote: post #229
Sophira wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you certain? The last I heard about it from Vivaldi[0], they were only going to keep the MV2 code around so long as it's in the upstream codebase: > We will keep Manifest v2 for as long as it’s still available in Chromium. We expect to drop support in June 2025, but we may maintain it longer or be forced to drop support for it sooner, depending on the precise nature of the changes to the code. Note that June 2025…

Vivaldi team does not respond to any comments asking about ongoing v2 manifest support; safe to assume it's gone as soon as it's out of Chromium upstream. Given Tetzchner's continual messaging on how important user privacy is to Vivaldi it seems like a strange decision, but I don't know how much effort would be required to maintain the support. They're a small team, so it would be understandable if they would just sa…

Or they just don't want to admit publicly that they're too small to maintain a fork when it diverges this much

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by Rebelgecko »

jeffbee wrote: post #278
Kbelicius wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's worth noting that the maintenance of the "lite" version is at some nonzero risk of burnout for its developers, ironically in part due to Mozilla being unnecessarily hostile: Why would you even use the lite version on firefox when the original works?

The "original" UBO is basically the mother of all supply chain vulnerabilities and whenever the inevitable exploit happens, everyone who thought they were a connoisseur of privacy is going to get completely pwned. UBO Lite works without being a gigantic security vuln.

Some people may think what you're saying is outlandish, but it's worth remembering that this is pretty much what already happened to Ublock (which led to the forking of Ublock Origin and return of gorehill)

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by ezst »

ttt3ts wrote: post #244
bijection wrote: post #206

I've finally switched (back) to firefox today. I switched from firefox to chrome for their superior devtools a few years back, but hopefully firefox has had time to catch up. Everything old is new again!

IMO they are still not as good although they have improved. I just develop in chrome and use Firefox for everything else.

I know chrome dev tools are capable, but to me they feel much more dumb and convoluted. There's lots of convenience and golden nuggets in Firefox dev tools that makes you feel they've been designed by and for developers.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by rrrix1 »

If anyone has any guides or blogs related to migrating away from Chrome for a multi-decade user (thousands of bookmarks, saved pages/read later, etc.) I would sure be interested.

Every time I try to migrate my very large bookmark collection to another browser, it either misbehaves and partially loses some data or fails completely.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by mgiampapa »

echoangle wrote: post #179
EasyMark wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To my knowledge the “big” chrome engine alternatives aren’t either. I know that Vivaldi and Brave plan on keeping around v2 as long as it is economically feasible

This sounds like Android phone manufacturers making fun of apple for removing the headphone jack and then doing it themselves a year later. Are they seriously going to maintain V2 support for a relatively small percentage of Powerusers which probably are mostly already using Firefox anyways? The point of being economically infeasible is probably in a month or so.

Firefox (and uBlock and BPC etc) works great on Andriod, but you have to disable Chrome to get Google apps to play nice.
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