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The Static Site Paradox

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Post by macspoofing »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #254
dzikimarian wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They make choice, because they're the ones working with this daily. Their goal is to put content on display fast. Content varies a lot - often containing for eg. tables, which simply don't work well in markdown or images you need to host somewhere. I spent a lot of time looking and still hasn't found toolchain, that would allow interns with zero technical experience deliver edits, without getting involved in tech det…

In one case I offered to (and actually did) convert the Word docs they sent me to the appropriate Hugo markdown with front matter and push it for them (not a huge effort, maybe 10 mins per post, I was happy to do it). It worked for a bit but they still ended up pushing for a Wordpress site. So yeah, it's not down to technical experience required for the edit process.

>It worked for a bit but they still ended up pushing for a Wordpress site.

Because they don't want to call you every time the need to fix a spelling mistake, or adjust fonts or colors or layout, or add/remove a section. What if you're busy or on vacation?

It may also be your personality - do you think you may come off as inflexible and arrogant to your colleagues?

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Post by account42 »

fegu wrote: post #164

The same (pros use less, consumers pay for more) goes for internet connectivity. A techie knows he will never need or saturate more than, say, 200mbps. While a consumer will see the "200/500/1G" offer and opt for the middle.

Lol no. Faster speeds are quite useful when you need to download something in a pinch and a single 4K video stream alone can easily eat up more than a quarter of your 200 Mbps. Consumer internet prices also do not scale linearly with bandwith because the provider knows that the average usage does not scale linearly.

Also, a pro would know that it's Mbps (megabits per second) and not mpbps (millibits per second).

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Post by cowsandmilk »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #230

I have whole rants about this, based on bitter experience trying to convince marketing people to stop using WP and just use a static site. It comes down to ease of editing. A WP site optimises for the editor. Not the hosting, not the tech folk, not the accountants, and definitely not the reader. The people who edit the site get to say how it's implemented. If you give them the choice (as I have) between a site that r…

You’re conflating two separate functionalities.

Wordpress apparently provides a content management system your users like. How you serve that content is easily decoupled and can still be from static files generated and distributed via a CDN.

Static sites don’t require markdown and git.

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Post by tvaughan »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #230

I have whole rants about this, based on bitter experience trying to convince marketing people to stop using WP and just use a static site. It comes down to ease of editing. A WP site optimises for the editor. Not the hosting, not the tech folk, not the accountants, and definitely not the reader. The people who edit the site get to say how it's implemented. If you give them the choice (as I have) between a site that r…

I was surprised at how hard it was to find a designer who could make a simple html and css only website. Just having to dip my toe in this world for a good-looking but mostly non-functional website gave me all kinds of ick.

Oh, https://sumar.io is a form handler for static websites available under the AGPL.

Re: The Static Site Paradox

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Post by fragmede »

macspoofing wrote: post #276
Aeolun wrote: post #271

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> You're talking about marketers who have a "Job to be done" which is to make content and get it in front of some target audience That’s not their job. Their job is to sell stuff (or make it more likely to be bought anyway). How they sell stuff is something they can determine themselves. You’d think that at some level the ‘faster websites sell more’ speech gets through to them, but the important distinction there is…

>That’s not their job. Their job is to sell stuff (or make it more likely to be bought anyway). Huh? What are you talking about? Marketing is the job of Marketers, which in most companies (certainly small to mid companies) includes the content on the marketing web-page. >You’d think that at some level the ‘faster websites sell more’ speech gets through to them The technical aspect of how a web-site works, or how it i…

use WP to generate the site and then serve it statically as much as you can

Re: The Static Site Paradox

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Post by macspoofing »

fragmede wrote: post #285
macspoofing wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That’s not their job. Their job is to sell stuff (or make it more likely to be bought anyway). Huh? What are you talking about? Marketing is the job of Marketers, which in most companies (certainly small to mid companies) includes the content on the marketing web-page. >You’d think that at some level the ‘faster websites sell more’ speech gets through to them The technical aspect of how a web-site works, or how it i…

use WP to generate the site and then serve it statically as much as you can

Sure - and in principle 'someone' should go and setup this pipeline. I can guarantee you that if this process is reasonably transparent to the marketing folks, they will not care.

Or do you expect the marketing folks to go and setup this static page caching?

Re: The Static Site Paradox

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Post by account42 »

caseyy wrote: post #91
fullstackchris wrote: post #36

Strongly agree. Wordpress brags as powering whatever % of the internet... but if youve ever taken a look at some of that PHP source code... yikes Mind boggling to me such an overly complex system has such a large market share. I'll take my Gatsby TypeScript React components / > any day

If they calculated the % in terms of CPU time used, they could have made the claim even more impressive.

Depends if you only include server CPU time or also browser CPU time. With the latter, more "modern" frameworks will "win" by orders of magnitude.

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Post by Drawde »

montefischer wrote: post #166
dimal wrote: post #147

We’re dealing with this big time in Asheville now. When cell service came back at all, everyone had shitty intermittent 3G, and none of the websites we needed for basic survival information would load. A bunch of good people created some text only news sites, and today I noticed that the Buncombe county website finally has a low bandwidth site, but even then when I inspected it, it had 130k of bootstrap css and 50k o…

Do you have links to the text only news sites?

http://68k.news/

is also a nice one

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Post by zaphar »

dimal wrote: post #147

We’re dealing with this big time in Asheville now. When cell service came back at all, everyone had shitty intermittent 3G, and none of the websites we needed for basic survival information would load. A bunch of good people created some text only news sites, and today I noticed that the Buncombe county website finally has a low bandwidth site, but even then when I inspected it, it had 130k of bootstrap css and 50k o…

I live in Sylva which is about 45 minutes from Asheville and yeah, Cell service made getting any useful information on your phone pretty bad. If I hadn't had Starlink I would have been in the dark for at least a week on a whole lot of stuff.

If I could sum up much of the miserableness of this disaster event it would be communication breakdowns in all kinds of ways.

Re: The Static Site Paradox

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Post by zaphar »

eru wrote: post #226
andrepd wrote: post #220

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Plus, what you call "shitty 3G" is (a) not really that bad objectively speaking (better than dialup 20 so years ago), and (b) actually the norm for hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people . I always think it's very depressing and even hypocritical how little the average SV dev cares about anyone with less than an iphone 15 with 4G in their pocket.

Is Asheville in SV? In any case, in places like eg India 4G is more common than 3G. 3G is being phased out. 5G is rolling out. (I realise that India isn't the poorest of the poor anymore. But not sure that's necessary for your argument?)

Asheville is in Western North Carolina
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