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Being Raised by the Internet

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Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by psychlops »

immibis wrote: post #275
kragen wrote: post #266

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i don't agree, but that's probably just because you don't know what you're talking about, which is probably because you're here to do ideological battles instead of share knowledge (for evidence, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41687424 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41685852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41681866 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41678925 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id…

Thanks, you have really raised the quality bar for discussion by combing through another user's comments and cherry-picking ones you don't like. Especially complaining about comments on political posts being political. And complaining about the same thread multiple times is chef's kiss . The rest of your comment was only added an hour after the comment was originally posted, presumably because you realised in hindsig…

No, we cryptocurrency people don't agree. It's actually hard to get them to agree on anything. Even whether it should be under state control or not.

Labelling the ethereum fork (I assume you are speaking of the DAO) as criminal is interesting. They simply executed the contract according to the terms of code which isn't necessarily illegal. At the time, ETH was a hundredth of its current size (losing 1/3rd its value on the contract) and considered an extinction level event. The other cryptos were innovating at a rapid rate to make "the next bitcoin" and could well have surpassed ETH in market cap.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by shanusmagnus »

throwanem wrote: post #153
shanusmagnus wrote: post #144

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> A nosy question is nosy because it demands an answer to which the querent is not entitled. Jesus, is this really what you meant? I can't imagine how barren my life would be if I restricted my interactions with others to only include things to which I was "entitled."

It's not an "all the time" thing, but an aspect of how human relationships work. Like everything else there, it's contextual. In the context of public conversations and professional relationships, it's reasonable to consider there exists a threshold of intimacy beyond which further inquiry is improper. That shouldn't be a tremendously controversial statement, I hope. If there's a variation on it here, it is only that…

I wasn't trying to straw-man you and I agree with this more verbose phrasing. There's a vibe in some related comments that suggests that the proper way to manage your work affairs is to interact through some narrow "proper" API, in which nothing is sought nor proffered, that we exist to each other as callable services only.

I try to generally be polite and treat people the way they seem to want, but I'm not going to live some meek life terrified that someone might take offense at my over-reach. If I'm going to screw up, my defaults are set for errors of commission.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by jart »

kragen wrote: post #128
malfist wrote: post #120

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Kagi has a small web thing too. But very few of those places are a community

kagi is explicitly not a community; it's a service you pay for. it's organized around a them/us distinction, and the users are the (atomized) outgroup, individually paying the ingroup for the service provided by that ingroup there is nothing wrong with that; it's a perfectly good way of organizing things. but it's important not to confuse it with the relationship between, for example, linux users, any of whom is free…

That's exactly why it should be a community. Being willing to pay a monthly fee for a search engine sets a higher bar for affluence and caring about the web. So I wish they would do something like create a "Kagi Web" search engine that just consists of their websites, since I'm sure Kagi users have interesting things to say.

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Post by Aachen »

yapyap wrote: post #92
HPsquared wrote: post #32

We are going to see a lot of children (and adults) raised by chatbots. Asking them for advice, confiding in them where real people don't seem safe, etc. Through the looking glass! Still, definitely better than asking Reddit for relationship advice

Rough seas ahead, thats for sure

In terms of climate adaptation, yes. If you're fearing large language models (which have been barely useful for a handful of years now; by the time the first kids grow up in an LLM world, they'll almost certainly have improved again), so far I'm seeing people get a lot more customised answers automatically as compared to being thrown in at the deep end and having to use a combination of partially-applicable answers, reference works, and own judgement. Whether judgement will suffer or if the false confidence of LLMs will only improve it, I have only the past to reference, such as Socrates' worry that the invention of writing would introduce forgetfulness because memory would not be practiced anymore (which, ironically, we now only know because someone else wrote his words down)

Regardless of which future you think more likely, it seems a bit early for a "for sure"!

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Post by Aachen »

niemandhier wrote: post #214

“When I look back and think about those times, I'm amazed but how much I owe to people who I never met” So much has changed: I read a post on a forum the other day, some kid asking questions about PyTorch. Rather than getting help, the poor soul was berated for not using “they/them”… We moved away from building our communities on shared interests, towards building them based on shared sentiment, which has to be prove…

I had plenty of experiences with similarly useless debates as a teenager on the internet twenty years ago. Think of providing code examples with indentation that the reader didn't like. At least being more inclusive is a more worthwhile goal than finding the perfect indentation, but yeah, neither answers the question at hand

Could it be that you now recognise the uselessness of such a response whereas, when you were younger, you didn't know any better and took it as-is? Because I think that's almost certainly the case for me, rather than that it is an exclusive feature of modern times that some people berate others on minor-to-irrelevant points

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Post by lo_fye »

> they decided to openly and freely share their work.

I LOVE this story. Thank you for sharing it. It's stuff like this that makes me crave the Web 1.0 (and early 2.0) days. This makes me want to support Mastodon, and Vivaldi, and other federated and open systems. I'm as guilty as anyone, allowing social apps like twitter & Facebook to take me away from writing on my hand-rolled blog. I need to get that puppy back up and running. I need to share more. Be the change I want to see in the Internet & Web.

Information wants to be free. Hack the planet!

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by Aachen »

WeylandYutani wrote: post #260

You can take this literally. I remember that for a while it was quite popular for families to live stream their life for that blog money. Always found that fad weird and creepy.

Could you quantify "quite popular"?

I never heard of anyone doing that in my own circles, but know of such youtube vlog families, which makes me think it's probably around one in a hundred thousand (that would mean thousands of people from the USA or around a thousand in Germany, which would be like two orders of magnitude above how many people are successful doing it, which sounds about right)

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Post by throwanem »

amatecha wrote: post #208
lll-o-lll wrote: post #189

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I’m not suggesting that we should “pull back” from the things we love for fear of the potential pain of losing them. What I am suggesting is that the worth of a person is not in what they can do. Their identity should be more than the things they enjoy or are good at. My grandmother is 100 years old. She has led an incredible life filled with all kinds of achievements. Her passion for reading, learning, languages and…

I've imagined this future, and I did think of one possible workaround that may or may not be feasible: morse code. One of my motives for learning it is, you can "copy" morse code by any of your senses except taste. I've imagined where I may be blind, or deaf, or even both. As long as I have the sense of touch somewhere about my body at the bare minimum, and can move a finger, I could communicate via morse code. I kno…

You would need someone who understands Morse to notice and interpret. The same dexterity can also operate a pen, and this is the option I have more often seen used.

Neither is likely to be a much richer channel than the other, I think.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by RajT88 »

einichi wrote: post #211
RajT88 wrote: post #183

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> Continuous learning and development are also values that employees are often invited to practice, though not when there's work to do! These are the things you're supposed to do on the evenings and weekends. Honestly, I'd love it if companies took the tack of giving employees projects based on the skills they want them to develop, instead of the skills they already have.

> These are the things you're supposed to do on the evenings and weekends. I truly cannot tell if this is sarcasm.

Not sarcasm. Where I work, they talk a big game about "we don't want know-it-alls we want learn-it-alls", and "upskilling" and all that.

But we don't get any dedicated time to actually do that training during business hours. The implication of course is that managers expect it to happen on evenings and weekends.

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