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Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by omginternets »

segasaturn wrote: post #268
minkles wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering Hezbollah is a designated terrorist organisation in many countries, this probably should be considered an anti-terrorist operation. The targets are enemy combatants. Also notably, it clearly did not intentionally target civilians, although there may be civilian casualties which is uncharacteristic of a terrorist attack.

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Do LGBT people in Russia deliberately target non-combattants with shocking levels of violence?

If not, then the definition might still hold meaning and Russia's appellation might be ridiculous.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by spondylosaurus »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #151
mmastrac wrote: post #116

I guess they are taking a victory lap around yesterday's major embarrassment. I never thought that you could dismantle a terrorist organization so surgically by just booby-trapping comms devices. This will certainly be made into a blockbuster movie in ten years. I'll re-iterate my previous comment on this matter: this is an impressive supply-chain hack with absolutely oversized results, and you gotta hand it to them…

It doesn’t look very surgical to me given the civilian casualties and general disregard of what can happen to innocent people. If anything this looks more like a state-sponsored terrorist attack than covert ops with collateral damage.

And very possibly in violation of the Geneva Convention's prohibition of "indiscriminate" attacks:

   Rule 12. Indiscriminate attacks are those:
   (a) which are not directed at a specific military objective;
   (b) which employ a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective; or
   (c) which employ a method or means of combat the effects of which cannot be limited as required by international humanitarian law; and consequently, in each such case, are of a nature to strike military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by deepsun »

rasz wrote: post #137
morwanger wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Its almost like the target group is known for using civilians as shields. Dont bring kids to your work seems like a no brainer, especially when you are a terrorist.

But that is the tactic, and it has been for the whole time. Just like Hamas puts its centers in and under hospitals, so civilians act like a shield. And very convenient for propaganda if hospitals gets under attack.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by lm28469 »

newspaper1 wrote: post #265
janmo wrote: post #107

If the mossad was able to plant explosives without being caught, I wouldn't be surprised if they also planted bugs (indiscriminately) in many electronic devices delivered to Lebanon such as TVs, computers, phones etc... Similar to the spy chips implants within the Supermicro server motherboards.

I wouldn't be surprised if this went well beyond Lebanon. It's time to start really scrutinizing our tech supply chain. I won't use any Israeli tech going forward.

These things weren't made in Israel nor by Israeli companies.

If a state wants you dead you're cooked anyways

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Post by tsimionescu »

tptacek wrote: post #38
miohtama wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know HN is not a place for political commentary, but why Israel would do it now when everyone tries to make them de-escalate?

Well, first, there's no de-escalation happening with Hezbollah. Israel, Hezbollah, and Iran are more or less openly at war. We don't talk about it much because the attack failed, but Iran launched a mass drone assault against Israel a few months back. Israel recently exploded Ismael Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas, in Tehran. Hezbollah rocket attacks on Northern Israel, which killed half a youth soccer team, h…

> We don't talk about it much because the attack failed, but Iran launched a mass drone assault against Israel a few months back.

Note that this was a retaliatory strike, announced in advance, to Israel's illegal bombing of Iran's consulate in Damascus, Syria.

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Post by loeg »

chillingeffect wrote: post #273
loeg wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notably, these are not booby traps. (The defining feature of booby traps is that they are triggered by the victim.)

No. That's one definition, but not the only one.

I believe you are mistaken. Please find any source that defines it in a way that isn't victim-triggered. Every single one I've checked includes similar language.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by robertlagrant »

kklisura wrote: post #234
skc wrote: post #189

Imagine the paranoia that must be flooding Hezbollah right now. You can't function without your electronics...but you can't trust them at all now. You don't even know how many or which of your gadgets have been compromised to spy on you and for how long. Massive, massive L.

On the other hand: isn't risk to this enormous? What if they just abandon all electronics and conduct their _business_ "off grid"? Good luck tracking that down...

If that were better or as good, they'd already be doing it. It's pretty obvious that would massively disrupt them.
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