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Boeing workers vote to strike

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Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by tbrownaw »

schmidtleonard wrote: post #223
diggan wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What private corporation could make mistakes where people lose their lives on the same scale while still operating as normal afterwards?

People dying due to profit-motivated corporate negligence and the corporations in question getting a slap on the wrist? Must be a day ending in "y."

> People dying due to profit-motivated corporate negligence and the corporations in question getting a slap on the wrist?

As opposed to what, people dying because government workers were negligent or on a power trip and nobody getting even that much accountability?

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by Zigurd »

SecretDreams wrote: post #177
iancmceachern wrote: post #86

Any Boeing engineers who may be looking for alternate paths, please know that I've known many great aerospace engineers who have made a pivot to medical devices very successfully and many of the best medical devices to come out in recent years are due to such. It seems very different but really it's very similar.

Conversely, I've seen a lot pivot from aero to auto and flounder. They are kind of opposite industries in terms of pacing and design compromises, as well as the fact that most of a car has to plasticize in crash events which is not a primary consideration in aero.

Counterexample: Mulally

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by stvltvs »

chimeracoder wrote: post #257
mprovost wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unions aren't a monopoly they're a democracy. After a democratic vote, the minority has to accept what the majority wants. Yes, sometimes voters make poor choices. New workers know about the union before they join. You don't move to a new state and refuse to pay taxes because you didn't vote for them. Once you're there you get to vote in the next election. America is a democracy and you don't have to revert to feudal…

> Unions aren't a monopoly they're a democracy. After a democratic vote, the minority has to accept what the majority wants. OP is repeating a lot of anti-union propaganda, but this one point is true, which is evident if you look at how unions in other countries work. In many European companies, it's commonplace for workers in the same company to have a choice of which union to represent them, so two different worker…

Teachers in my local US school district have two unions, but that's the only exception to the rule that I'm aware of. It would be good to see a little more competition, but not enough to weaken labor's bargaining power.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Havoc wrote: post #200

Just watched a documentary on Boeing an hour ago. It’s incredible that they avoided criminal prosecution despite two planes crashing, door popping out and then paperwork somehow going AWOL. Also Boeing knew about wiring issues since 2022 and the FAA only issues an inspection order in ‘24. Gonna try and avoid Boeings of all types going forward

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Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by SecretDreams »

Zigurd wrote: post #283
SecretDreams wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conversely, I've seen a lot pivot from aero to auto and flounder. They are kind of opposite industries in terms of pacing and design compromises, as well as the fact that most of a car has to plasticize in crash events which is not a primary consideration in aero.

Counterexample: Mulally

I was moreso referring to ICs, but fair point.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by ryandrake »

tbrownaw wrote: post #281
schmidtleonard wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People dying due to profit-motivated corporate negligence and the corporations in question getting a slap on the wrist? Must be a day ending in "y."

> People dying due to profit-motivated corporate negligence and the corporations in question getting a slap on the wrist? As opposed to what, people dying because government workers were negligent or on a power trip and nobody getting even that much accountability?

You know, it's possible that both are bad.

The root problem is that the rich and powerful[1] face no consequences for wrongdoing. It's endemic to every part of life, and nothing gets done about it because the rich and powerful make the rules. It really doesn't matter if they happen to be aligned with "Team Corporation" or "Team Government". They are equally unaccountable to justice.

1: Rich and Powerful are both the exact same thing since money is frictionlessly convertible to power and vice versa.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by linguae »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #280
godzillabrennus wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think government agencies exist to solely help the American people then how do you explain the DMV experience?

Lat time I went to an American DMV it was in a small town in Colorado to get a license renewal. I was in and out within 10 minutes. My next license was in Canada. Made an appointment and it was about the same, maybe a bit more to get all the paperwork scanned to convert my US license. The DMV doesn't have to suck. Government services don't have to suck, and a lot of them actually don't. Frequently they suck because t…

In my experience living in California, government services such as the DMV and the post office tend to be more pleasant in small towns compared to in large metro areas. When I lived in San Luis Obispo and in Santa Cruz County, it was generally a smooth experience running errands at government facilities. In fact, I remember people smiling and being friendly in San Luis Obispo. In larger metros such as Sacramento and the Bay Area, though, I often have to contend with long lines and surly service.

I know this is just anecdata, but this is something I’ve noticed over the years.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by [deleted] »

mnau wrote: post #234
Havoc wrote: post #200

Just watched a documentary on Boeing an hour ago. It’s incredible that they avoided criminal prosecution despite two planes crashing, door popping out and then paperwork somehow going AWOL. Also Boeing knew about wiring issues since 2022 and the FAA only issues an inspection order in ‘24. Gonna try and avoid Boeings of all types going forward

They hired the lead prosecutor that cut them a deal. To be precise a Boeing criminal defence firma hired her after she left the Justice department. It's the American way.

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