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Re: Zed AI

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Post by gloosx »

fastball wrote: post #279
gloosx wrote: post #236

Anthropic is an evil company. I wanted to try their subscription for a month, now they are storing my credit card info forever without an option to remove it, yet a single click of a button will instantly resubscribe me. I don't understand how one can seriously think they will not sell all your data at the first opportunity to make money, cause with such shady subscription/payment practices it instantly gives a money…

Fairly certain selling people's credit card data is illegal and something Anthropic will not be doing.

I was not telling about the credit card data obviously, they have much more data they can actually sell.

In my opinion, storing someone's credit card data online after purchase, without a clear option to delete it should be illegal.

Re: Zed AI

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Post by imtringued »

skydhash wrote: post #213
pb7 wrote: post #190

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What does this mean?

People that don't like Bash|Zsh|... and are afraid of ImageMagick|ffmpeg|curl|...'s manuals and want AI to generate the perfect script for them.

Virsh has a --help screen that shows a command listing that is 20000 characters long. I too would be intimidated.

Re: Zed AI

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Post by iamnbutler »

amkkma wrote: post #277
iamnbutler wrote: post #158

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Hey! I'm Nate from Zed. There are a lot of questions about this, here are some quick thoughts... Cursor is great – We explored an alternate approach to our assistant similar to theirs as well, but in the end we found we wanted to lean into what we think our super power is: Transforming text. So we leaned into it heavily. Zed's assistant is completely designed around retrieving, editing and managing text to create a "…

Hey! I really see the power in Zed and the extensibility and simplicity. Great approach. I posted this above, but want you to see it: Two areas where I think Zed might fall behind: Cursor Tab is REALLY good and probably requires some finetuning/ML chops and some boutique training data. For composer, there's going to be more use of "shadow workspace" https://www.cursor.com/blog/shadow-workspace to create an agentic fe…

Thanks, I'll take a look at these. We aren't done–A good amount of the Zed team uses our assistant heavily every day so we'll continue to refine it.

I shared this with the team. I need to spend some time in Cursor to understand their mental model, it seems a lot of folks have come to enjoy using it.

We do also have extensibility planned for the assistant, you can see a taste of it in the slash command code if you want to check it out.

AFAIK you can use `/workflow` with some other models other than Claude, but I can't speak to which off the top of my head.

Re: Zed AI

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Post by amkkma »

iamnbutler wrote: post #283
amkkma wrote: post #277

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Hey! I really see the power in Zed and the extensibility and simplicity. Great approach. I posted this above, but want you to see it: Two areas where I think Zed might fall behind: Cursor Tab is REALLY good and probably requires some finetuning/ML chops and some boutique training data. For composer, there's going to be more use of "shadow workspace" https://www.cursor.com/blog/shadow-workspace to create an agentic fe…

Thanks, I'll take a look at these. We aren't done–A good amount of the Zed team uses our assistant heavily every day so we'll continue to refine it. I shared this with the team. I need to spend some time in Cursor to understand their mental model, it seems a lot of folks have come to enjoy using it. We do also have extensibility planned for the assistant, you can see a taste of it in the slash command code if you wan…

Great. They also have other blog posts with product roadmap and research directions https://www.cursor.com/blog/problems-2024 you should look at, and an AI engineer conference talk which goes into their vision: https://youtu.be/6g28WpZbF1I?si=MkHgxMDMjxxOHtcZ

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Post by everforward »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #116
cube2222 wrote: post #108

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Also, I know some people say “just let me pay for the editor” but I don’t think that’s actually a viable path. The editor is open-source, and it being open-source is great. Others can contribute, it generally helps adoption, it will probably help with getting people to author plugins, and it means if they go in an undesirable way, the community will be able to fork. So without making it non-open-source, they’d need t…

I would like us as an industry to promote paying for things we use. Crazy idea, I know. Open source is great and fun and an incredible force multiplier for the world, but when you want to do this stuff for a living, you have to charge money for it somehow, and if you're a software business, and not just software adjacent, it means charging for software.

I don’t think this will ever happen. Software Engineering is fairly unique in that our tools are effectively the same thing we create (code).

If carpenters could build saws out of wood, they would probably make their own tools (and many do, for tools that can be made of wood like hand saws).

You generally have to sell goods to people who can’t make them themselves. How often do carpenters buy shelves instead of making them? How often do constructions workers hire someone else to build a shed for them?

I don’t care for closed source editors in general. My editor and its configuration are one of the most important tools I have, and I don’t want to hand someone the ability to remotely disable it. I would rather go back to using plugin-less vim, because I can at least depend on the tool.

JetBrains is probably the only one I would even consider, and I still don’t care for it (and really hate having a separate editor per-language if I don’t have to).

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Post by everforward »

ramraj07 wrote: post #101
sangnoir wrote: post #93

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What I'd give to have a look at the roadmaps to see how they hope to 10x/100x VC investments with a text editor and terminal.

Just look at Postman.

Postman’s success seems almost inevitable in hindsight. Look at how many tutorials involve curl at some point, and Postman was “curl with a GUI”.

Re: Zed AI

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Post by everforward »

modernerd wrote: post #159
lovethevoid wrote: post #48

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Sublime Text is likely closer to what you're looking for.

I retry it every now and then and miss the easy extensibility of Neovim. Can we build something that marries both worlds?

Is VSCode out for some reason? I don’t care for the defaults for some language plugins, but it seems easier to ship VSCode config than to build a whole editor.

I think the VSCode config is just JSON on disk and I believe you can install plugins on the CLI. You could probably have a bash or Python script do the setup pretty easily.

Edit: responded before coffee, missed the “native GUI”; please disregard

Re: Zed AI

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Post by everforward »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #71
nichochar wrote: post #35

I recently switched from neovim to zed, and I overall like Zed. I miss telescope, and think some vim navigation was better, but I suspect that it has to do with how much effort I put into configuring one over the other, so time will tell. My biggest gripe was how bad the AI was. I really want a heavy and well-crafter AI in my editor, like Cursor, but I don't want a fork of the (hugely bloated and slow) vscode, and I…

After using Cursor for some hobby stuff, it's really good. I was surprised at how well it managed the context, and the quick suggestions as you're refactoring really add up since they're generally exactly what I was about to do.

I’ve been likewise surprised. The code part is fine; I’m impressed but not “worried it will take my job” impressed.

Where it really shines for me is repetitive crap I would usually put off. The other day I was working with an XML config and creating a class to store the config so it could be marshalled/unmarshalled.

It picked up on the sample config file in the repo and started auto-suggesting attributes from the config file, in the order they appear in the config file, even though the config was camel cased and my attributes were snake cased.

The only thing it didn’t do correctly was expand a certain acronym in variable names like I had done on other attributes. In fairness, the acronym is unclear, which is why I was expanding it, and I wouldn’t be surprised if a human did the same.

Re: Zed AI

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Post by everforward »

acedTrex wrote: post #155
owenpalmer wrote: post #149

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I'm curious, what kind of work do you do? Does stack overflow slow you down?

Lots of golang kubernetes work these days. Stackoverflow is used when im stuck and searching around for an answer. Its not attempting to do the work for me. At a code level I almost never copy paste from stackoverflow. I also utilize claud and 4o at the same time while attempting to solve a problem but they are rarely able to help.

K8s is probably particularly bad because their package convention basically requires vanity imports, and I would wager the vanity names people choose are wildly inconsistent.

It also doesn’t help that many packages have 3+ “versions” of themselves, so a vanity import named “core” could be v1alpha1, v1beta1 or v1.

Re: Zed AI

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Post by segfaltnh »

gloosx wrote: post #281
fastball wrote: post #279

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Fairly certain selling people's credit card data is illegal and something Anthropic will not be doing.

I was not telling about the credit card data obviously, they have much more data they can actually sell. In my opinion, storing someone's credit card data online after purchase, without a clear option to delete it should be illegal.

GDPR them, if you're in the EU. Or just pretend you are and see if they flinch.
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