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Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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It sill looks like the software is written by people who don't know how to care for plants. You don't spray water on leaves as shown in the video; you'll just end up with fungus infestation. You water the soil and nourish the microorganisms that facilitate nutrient absorption in roots. But, I don't see any reason the technology can't be adapted to do the right thing.

Doesn't rain fall on the leaves as much as the soil?

Depends on the plant. There's little rain in the lowest layer of a forest for example. Or in a desert.

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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The best way to water a garden is drip irrigation. You do have to manually lay the tubing and then in the fall roll it up. But there are farmers doing it in large fields so a small garden should be possible. Once everything is hooked up it can be pretty well automated. Home Depot now in some stores has drip irrigation supplies. https://www.dripworks.com/drip-irrigation

you don't need anything fancy for drip, a small hole in the pipe and a timer on your pump is is generally enough. If you really want to go fancy you can isolate the system and use moisture sensors, which are cheap.

Are moisture sensors any good? I always read about how useless they are, but maybe that’s just a certain type? What would you recommend?

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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Part of the problem is water composition. Water which contians fertilizers, surfactants etc is going to damage the protective waxy layer on leaves, while rain water will do so less. Next, when watering youre doing so as frequently as the plants can make use of, to encourage maximal growth rates. It would never rain that frequently. finally, the size of droplets is different. Rain drops tend to be big and fat and roll…

Why would you water your plants with surfactants/soap? Genuine question, does it help the plants in some way?

It's a common traditional fix to aphids infestation.

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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That’s a natural way to speak in American English anyway. You wouldn’t say “there is”. But “there’s” is fine.

It's not about the contraction of there is, there are has a completely different meaning

If something is used often to mean X - it starts to mean X. That's how language works.

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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A lot of people are criticizing this product. Does anyone know what "best in class" small-scale farming or gardening projects are? Very curious! Also any community recommendations would be great.

> Does anyone know what "best in class" small-scale farming or gardening projects are?

I think you're misinterpreting the criticisms. It's not "this particular product is a bad implementation compared to other one-size-fits-all tech-solutionism products", but rather "a one-size-fits-all tech-solutionism approach to this problem space doesn't make any sense"

This is a very typical tech-industry "everything looks like a nail" type issue: going into an area you don't understand with a solution to problems that don't exist.

A small subset of problems here:

1. A robot should automate things you do often/regularly - developing complex machinery do to one-off seasonal steps steps like seeding & pulling is immensely wasteful - that's going to raise the cost of the product a lot just in order to automate tasks you rarely do.

2. It doesn't do those tasks well: the pulling examples are contrived & the failure rates look high.

3. The watering mechanism is developed to suit the robot design rather than designing the robot around optimal watering strategies - this completely ignores generations of optimising watering approaches. The watering mechanism is actively harmful to many crops.

4. Very unadaptable to different plants' needs.

TL;DR: There is no best of class product in this area because only someone who doesn't understand the problem space would try to develop a product to do this.

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned hydroponics. For $2800 you can build a very nice, large, and mostly automated hydroponics setup. It would have higher yields, no weeding, minimal pests if indoors, better nutrient control, a smaller footprint, more reliability, and less complexity.

Do you have a good resource for getting a system started? Particularly outdoors / backyard scale?

There is a lot of good content on YouTube. The top search results tend to be decent. Indoor vs outdoor tend to be mostly the same minus the lights.

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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post #30

It sill looks like the software is written by people who don't know how to care for plants. You don't spray water on leaves as shown in the video; you'll just end up with fungus infestation. You water the soil and nourish the microorganisms that facilitate nutrient absorption in roots. But, I don't see any reason the technology can't be adapted to do the right thing.

I heard watering the leaves is a technique to avoid frost damage in some regions

Yes it is. Water freezes and provides protection from freezing cold as funny as it might sound. Of course watering systems for huge gardens or orchards are expensive even if you have access to enough water.

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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you don't need anything fancy for drip, a small hole in the pipe and a timer on your pump is is generally enough. If you really want to go fancy you can isolate the system and use moisture sensors, which are cheap.

Are moisture sensors any good? I always read about how useless they are, but maybe that’s just a certain type? What would you recommend?

Moisture sensors that measure conductivity are pretty useless unless frequently recalibrated but time domain reflectometry sensors are much better and more accurate.

I use the VH400 from Vegetronix: https://www.vegetronix.com/Products/VH400/

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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There's a thing called foliar spraying, where you do spray water and nutrients on the leaves. You don't do it in the sunshine though because the water droplets will magnify the light and burn the leaves.

This magnifying glass effect is a pervasive and dangerous (to thirsty plants) garden myth. Don’t let sunshine stop you from watering a plant that’s suffering from lack of water. https://s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/403/2015/03/leaf-scorch....

Thanks for busting that myth. Foliar isn't about hydration state, it has chemicals and surfactants and it's recommended to do it in morning/night. according to this AL extension office, it can causes a phytotoxicity (leaf burn) at high leaf temps (probably because higher uptake rate of the chemicals) https://www.aces.edu/blog/topics/lawn-garden/foliar-feeding-...

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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And then there is burried drip irrigation...

Yes, but as GP said that doesn't scale. I live in an agriculture heavy community in the desert (mountain-west USA), and drip irrigation is only really used for small gardens and landscaping. Anyone with an acre or more of crops is not using drip. I certainly agree that drip is the ideal, and when you aren't doing drip you want to minimize the standing water on leaves, but if I were designing this project I would desi…

But drip irrigation doesn’t scale because you would need to lay + connect + pressurize + maintain hundreds of miles of hoses. It’s high-CapEx.

A “watering robot”, meanwhile, can just do what a human gardener does to water a garden, “at scale.”

Picture a carrot harvester-alike machine — something whose main body sits on a dirt track between narrow-packed row-groups, with a gantry over the row-group supported by narrow inter-row wheels. Except instead of picker arms above the rows, this machine would have hoses hanging down between each row (or hoses running down the gantry wheels, depending on placement) with little electronic valve-boxes on the ends of the hoses, and side-facing jet nozzles on the sides of the valve boxes. The hoses stay always-fully-pressurized (from a tank + compressor attached to the main body); the valves get triggered to open at a set rate and pulse-width, to feed the right amount of water directly to the soil.

“But isn’t the ‘drip’ part of drip irrigation important?” Not really, no! (They just do it because constant passive input is lazy and predictable and lower-maintenance.) Actual rain is very bursty, so most plants (incl. crops) aren’t bothered at all by having their soil periodically drenched and then allowed to dry out again, getting almost bone dry before the next drenching. In fact, everything other than wetland crops like rice prefer this; and the dry-out cycles decrease the growth rates for things like parasitic fungi.

As a bonus, the exact same platform could perform other functions at the same time. In fact, look at it the other way around: a “watering robot” is just an extension of existing precision weeding robots (i.e. the machines designed to reduce reliance on pesticides by precision-targeting pesticide, or clipping/picking weeds, or burning/layering weeds away, or etc.) Any robot that can “get in there” at ground level between rows to do that, can also be made to water the soil while it’s down there.

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