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CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

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Re: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

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Post by gruez »

GJim wrote: post #269
gruez wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The meteorological dates for "summer" correspond to June 1 to August 31. That straddles 2 quarters and both halves of the year. What are you going to do if a product launch is in July (+- 1 month)? You can't really use Q3 or H2 because neither of them fully captures that 3 month period.

> The meteorological dates for "summer" correspond to June 1 to August 31 That is winter in the southern hemisphere. I'm amazed at the need to have to explain this to a grown adult: https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/seasons/en/

Yes, I neglected to qualify "summer" with "northern hemisphere", but the substance of my comment doesn't meaningfully change with or without it, nor have I denied in other of my comments that "summer" is ambiguous depending on which hemisphere you're in. You're clearly just looking for stuff to nitpick.

Re: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

ano-ther wrote: post #173
jpambrun wrote: post #136

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I am not sure it's fair to include Canada in the same basket. We don't use freedom degrees, we know that numbers should start with the most significant digits and I believe liability waivers have no value here as well.

> numbers should start with the most significant digits Am curious: where does that not happen in the US? (And in parts of Canada they say 4-20-10 to mean 90 :-)

4-20-10 (quatre vingt dix) is weird for non-French speakers, as "siedemdziesiat" is weird to non-Polish speakers, or any other word in a foreign language.

To us French this is a word like others, it's not like we are calculating in our heads. Belgians have "septante" which is more logical but they do not calculate either.

Re: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

tracker1 wrote: post #234
xxs wrote: post #33

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Well, it'd be a lot easier if most US entities understood that M/d/yy(yy) format is rare, or that default to Frankenstein degrees is pretty much the same/awkward (even Microsoft reset their weather widget to F on regular basis). The root of issue, not understanding local laws/culture, is very similar - surrounded by a vast market/culture (US +Canada) dulls your senses for the rest of the globe.

I always prefer, default to, and advocate for yyyy-MM-dd format for dates to avoid confusion. Once you're used to them, no other format will do. Also, files with such names (backups, etc) will also be in a natural order.

I started to refuse to accept any document that does not have the YYYY-MM-DD format, and time as HH:MM. I also encourage people to use UTC because we work in 130 countries so 15:27 does not make much sense.

I have to work with logs from computers and applications and this is driving me nuts. "What is the timezone ?" is the question everyone fears.

Re: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

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Post by fennecbutt »

dathinab wrote: post #159
tuetuopay wrote: post #138

French here, and working for another french CSP. We lived the OVH incident live and saw the whole aftermath. OVH was held liable because of the data loss, not for the service interruption. Data loss is something irremediable, permanent, definitive. Some businesses were basically ruined from this incident because they had no more data to operate. To add insult to injury, they sold offsite backups in the datacenter lit…

IMHO it would send really wrong signals if this doesn't end up with CrowdStrike closing their doors... like if the largest outage in history was caused by you due to a config parser failing and it looks as far as I can tell that they didn't follow industry best practices when it comes to config/parsing handling and probably also didn't follow some best practices when it comes to kernel module programming then honestl…

So no responsibility on their clients having a uniform architecture where all key systems use CS software for protection, updates are auto applied and there are no backup systems etc?

If aws goes down in a region yeah it sucks but we fail over. If aws goes down ww then it's like well...sometimes that happens. If I've built critical infra like electric utilities, airports etc with swathing vulnerable points then that's the real problem.

Re: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent

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Post by fennecbutt »

jncfhnb wrote: post #212
627467 wrote: post #132

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the full headline (at this time at least) is more nuanced than seen here in hn: CrowdStrike will be liable for damages in France, based on the OVH precedent.

Doesn’t really make it any less misleading. It is still just an opinion.

No, because the current title can be misinterpreted as a statement of fact. And you know that.
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